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- From: faruque@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Abdullah Faruque,334CH,3752,2654247)
- Subject: Re: Run a 486/33MHz CPU at 40 or 50MHz?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan8.172942.7869@news.clarkson.edu>
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- References: <1993Jan8.100550.9995@ac.dal.ca>
- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:29:42 GMT
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- From article <1993Jan8.100550.9995@ac.dal.ca>, by francis@ac.dal.ca:
- > I have a 486DX/33MHz system, and I have been told by the manufacturer that
- > the motherboard is upgradeable to 50MHz by plugging in a new crystal and CPU.
- >
- > Question: Is it possible to plug in (say) a 40MHz or even a 50MHz crystal
- > into the board *without* replacing the old (33MHz) CPU?
- > If so, is there a performance improvement or will the 486DX 33MHz chip just
- > burn itself out, ie, has it been internally hardwired for the specified clock
- > frequency of 33MHz? I would like to hear from anyone who has attempted this
- > (with/without success).
- >
- > Francis
- >
-
- I am running a 486DX-33Mhz at 40Mhz without any problem. I put an
- extra fan and heatsink to cool down the CPU and now the CPU is running
- at a much lower temp that it used to run at 33Mhz (without any extra
- cooling). So, probably the long term effect due to the extra heat
- generated by over running it is near zero. Actually it may even be
- better, because it is running much cooler (with a fan and heatsink)
- than the max operating temp specified by the manufacturer. Normally,
- the manufacturer specifies the max operating temp of a CPU (or in
- general any semiconductor device) under certain operating conditions.
- If you increase the operating frequency then you must also provide
- necessary cooling to keep it under the max rated temp.
-
- Now the question is that how far you can increase the speed. There is
- no rule here, it may run at only 1% or as high as 30% above the rated
- speed. There are design limitations beyond which it will not work at
- all, even if extra cooling is provided. You have to do the experiment
- and find out the max possible speed that can be obtained without any
- soft error for a particular CPU. I found that a 486DX-25 can run at
- 33Mhz and a 486DX-33 can run at 40Mhz without any problem. But again
- that may not be true for all 486DX25/33 chips available. So, far I did
- not encounter any problem running DOS 5.0, Win 3.1, OS/2 2.0 and many
- other diagnostic and application softwares. I even pushed a 486DX-33
- to 50Mhz just to see what happen. I was surprised that the system
- booted up and most DOS based programs run (even Checkit passed all CPU
- tests), but Win 3.1 and OS/2 2.0 did not run at all when pushed to
- 50Mhz. You have to consider the following things when pushing a CPU.
-
- 1. You must provide extra cooling, to make sure that it is running
- at a temp below max operating temp.
-
- 2. The motherboard should be rated at or above the intended speed.
- Otherwise you are looking for troubles. If you push the whole
- motherboard (which is not rated at the intended speed), then it may or
- may not work. That depends on who good the motherboard components are
- and if they can run at the increased speed.
-
- 3. Check extensively with different OS, diagnostic and application
- softwares before you settle down at the intended speed.
-
- 4. The main memory and external cache (if any) must meet the speed
- requirement necessary to run without putting any additional wait
- state. If you have to put additional additional wait state, then you
- will loose some performance and pushing the CPU may not even justify
- in such case.
-
- 5. If you do not feel confident enough to do the experiment, then it
- is not for you. Not recommend, if you do not even know what a crystal
- OSC is and how to locate/replace it.
-
- Please do not flame! I saw this topic several times, so I just
- describe my experience here, which may or may not work in your
- case.
-
- -Faruque
- Email: faruque@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
-
-