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- From: akersse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Elwix of Style)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: Re: About my cruncher again...
- Date: 8 Jan 1993 05:06:33 GMT
- Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
- Lines: 72
- Message-ID: <1ij24pINNgou@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>
- References: <1993Jan7.151950.29073@news.tu-graz.ac.at>
- Reply-To: akersse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Elwix of Style)
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- In article <1993Jan7.151950.29073@news.tu-graz.ac.at>
- schuetz@fm11ap01.tu-graz.ac.at (Alexander Schuetz) writes:
- >
- > >>Okay, but then you must have been off the scene or off anyone for a bloody
- > >>long time. *EVERYBODY* knows Darksqueezer, it was released in 1988 and
- > >>people still use it heavily for crunching their demos, programs,
- whatsoever.
- >
- > >Programmers of demos and such are in the vast minority of C64 owners,
- > >and also in the vast minority of people who read this group. I myself
- > >was a heavy programmer of the C64 at one time, and I never heard of
- > >DarkSqueezer, although I can guess that it's some sort of executable
- > >file cruncher. But saying that EVERYBODY should know about it is just
- > >plain wrong. The fact is that very few people know about crunchers.
- >
- > All right. Well, all of a sudden, now you all know, I guess :)
- >
- Alexander, you must consider some things... As the above responder points out,
- demo coders or other people for whom crunching etc is a usual task are quite a
- small group indeed. I'd guess the ages of active coders etc on the C-64 scene
- these days is low too, say 15-21 yrs... you wont find lots of those guys on the
- Internet.
- Just knowing about crunchers and why they're so cool wont make people want it
- if they have no use for it.
-
- > >The number of people who own REU's is very small compared to the number
- > >of people who own C64's. You *have* limited your audience.
- >
- > Well, I guess I have limited it to everyone who is interested in a
- sophistica-
- > ted Lempel/Ziv style cruncher with enourmous speed compared to all known
- > existing ones. Must be VERY few indeed. :-)
- Again, I think you're looking for an audience in the wrong places... I bet
- you've got a big audience on the scene; every coder loves a good programming
- utility.
- Then again, with so many crunchers spread around so much on the scene, do you
- really think 15-20 yr old scene guys want to spend money to buy your program,
- assuming they've already got an REU? Maybe the most serious ones...
- I think unless your cruncher gives MUCH greater compression (ie, 15-20% better
- at least), then no-one wants to pay for it, if they can compress as well for
- free but use up 30 minutes instead of 1 or 2... I just go watch TV or watch
- Amiga demos while I crunch my demo...
- You should post some comparisons... I'd like to see the pack results of your
- program compared to say, Byte Bonker 1.5, my current favorite cruncher...
-
- > First, it *partially* uses *similar algorythm* to Darksqueezer. Second,
- > the original Darksqueezer is complete Public Domain, so everyone had and
- > has the right to look at the code, hasn't he? Considering my hard work
- > of reverse engeneering and *immensely improving* the original algorithm,
- > and considering that I'm obviuosly the one and only who did it, and
- > considering how damn (I hate the word) poor I am, I think some donations
- > are in order. Must I really argue about that one? I think I really don't
- > have to.
- >
- > Alex Schuetz (schuetz@fm11ap01.tu-graz.ac.at)
- Maybe 2-3-4 years ago you'd get a better response to your selling... you can
- maybe even sell your routines to a software house, I dunno... these days coders
- are making utils and spreading em for free, they want them spread as much as
- possible! It gives them a name in the scene, and lots of them are even genuinly
- interested in seeing the C-64 survive a bit longer. I think your 'compitition'
- has already undercut you as far as guys in the scene buying your program.
- One more thing - how can you be SURE that someone else hasn't already done what
- you did, or wrote a from-scratch REU cruncher and spread it around?
-
- I sympathize with you, it'd be cool if C-64 PD were as IBM PD (people so
- willing to fork out $$$ for PD stuff)...
- Perhaps if you offered complete source code too... lots of guys here are avid
- programmers, just not the typical scene fellows. I dunno, I just don't think
- you'll get any $$$...
-
- Steve
- (Elwix/Style)
-