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- From: 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
- Subject: Re: a blurb
- Message-ID: <1993Jan11.205852.13486@bsu-ucs>
- Date: 12 Jan 93 01:58:52 GMT
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- Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's
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- >>> Big deal. Get a hard drive anyway. They're cheap.
- >>
- >>Say bud...if they're so cheap, why donl;t you mail me the money order for a new
- >>one? I don't happen to have the cash, nor, I would bet, do a lot of other
- >>people. I may guess this may be even more so in a smaller, foreign country.
- >>I'll keep my eye on the mail and continue to run my software from the RAMdisk
- >>so I won't be holding my breath.
- >
- > Beggars can't be choosers. If you have no money, you really can't
- > afford to decide between computers, now, can you? That's my point.
- > The only previous reason to buy a new Atari system was "Power without
- > the Price." (Snicker.) These days, of course, as we all know from
- > having paid careful attention to the mail order prices for clones
- > posted here over the past two months, clones are the cheapest machines
- > available. Therefore, for people in your situation, the choice is
- > clear.
-
- The arguement was: for people with a more limiterd cash-flow than _you_ are
- used to, a computer that can/was-designed-to run without a hard-drive is
- _STILL_ the best option. I'd like to see you try to get around on that clone
- without your hard-drive.
-
- >>> That's a GOOD one. $50 is *real* tough to manage for an OS, yeah.
- >>
- >>Up the amount of the money order, please.
- >
- > If you can't afford to buy any software at all, then you shouldn't have
- > bought the computer in the first place. Do you simply pirate all the
- > software you want? Buying a $1000 machine and then saying you don't
- > have $50 for a software pacakge is like buying a Ferrari but then not
- > being able to cough up money for wiper blades.
-
- First of all, the OS doesn't give me problems as is, so the $50 stays in the
- bank for me. Second of all, I'll ask you not to be my finance advisor. I'm a
- quite-typical college student with no spare money. I have not always been a
- college student/I used to have the cash to buy software. If I'd bought into
- the clone-realm then, it's not likely I'd EVER have as much software as I do
- now (speaking commercially. I have no (and I don't need) knowlege of the
- shareware dimension of the clone-realm). This machine still has the
- more-affordable software for me.
-
- >>> Right, and consequently you have to pay $75 to upgrade the OS. That
- >>> is, every 3 years when they fix the pending 100 bugs in TOS.
- >>
- >>I'm still using very old version of TOS (1.2 I think) and have no plans for
- >>spending money to upgrade it. BTW, I see you suddenly got a little tight with
- >>the purse-strings....hmm.
- >
- > It's not the money, it's the inconvenience, mainly. If you still use
- > TOS 1.2, watch out for bugs. Since I use(d) my Atari for serious
- > programming that taxed the machine, I was forced to upgrade to 1.4.
- > I had to go to a dealer and buy the chipset (once they got them in).
- > Isn't compeltely obvious that it wouldn't have been much easier and
- > cheaper to provide OS updates on disk?
- >
- > (BTW, just because I say you should be able to afford wiper blades
- > for you Ferrari doesn't mean I advocate spending 10 times as much
- > as is required for the wiper blades!)
-
- It is the money, it isn't the money. I can't argue on dualistic gounds as
- those. And really I don't have much inconvenience getting PD stuff, which has
- consistenly been enough to keep me going (hopefelly will be until I can
- actually afford to shop the commercial district again.)
-
- >>What's the point to trying to get a PC put together the right way to do what
- >>I want it to do, for less cost than my MEGA ST4? Too bad more people didn't
- >>find out about ST's when I did. There'd probably be less people hell-bent on
- >>a hard drive/the latest-greatest 'x86 PC/super-workhorse/more-than-they-
- >>need/1000. And I have no qualms with GEM.
- >
- > Well, you're satisfied with mediocrity then. Once you have a hard
- > drive and a faster machine, you'll never believe you WASTED so much
- > time waiting for things to happen. Computers are STILL not fast enough
- > so that everything I want to do is instantaneous; therefore, I will
- > always be trying to get faster machines. Time spent waiting for a
- > compile, unarchive, etc. is time WASTED, especialy under GEM where you
- > can only run one process at once. At least under Unix or OS/2 you can
- > edit a docuemnt or fix more bugs in your program while you're waiting.
-
- It's not even a matter of mediocrity! It's a matter of whether or not yopur
- computer does what's expected of it! Stop trying to spread the clone-disease
- and start spreading some common sense!
-
- >>Oh well, you and the Jones' have fun competing with each other. I'm gonna see
- >>if I can get something done here.
- >
- > Again, I hope you're happy being less productive than you could be.
- > I'm not.
-
- I also ask that you not be my time manager. I haven't hit any speedbumps on
- this road yet, and I don't anticipate any in the near future.
-
- >>P.S. Why are the only people who actively promote the clones _I know_, the
- >>ones who are able to hook up with _pirate copies_ of the hard-drive munching,
- >>processing-time gobbling software they rave about?
- >
- > You know the wrong people?
-
- Or the people are raving for some of the wrong reasons...
- ("My computer has slightly newer technology, and an AWESOME pirate base!")
-
- >>I reckon a large number of people would sing a different song if they
- >>_had_ to play by the rules. Not to mention they wouldn't be able to
- >>afford to fill those bulging hard-drives their shiney new system
- >>sports.
- >
- > The main thing I spend time with nowadays on my PC is TADS 2, which is
- > shareware and registered, thank you. (And yes, I did buy my copy of
- > Microsoft C, which was $139, and Ultima Underworld, which was $50.)
-
- I'm glad someone's making money around here! If I don't gradute soon, I'm
- gonna have to buy the place! This is crazy!
-
- -Matt
-
- P.S. Is Ultima Underworld, the Ultima that's a lot like the old Dongeon Master
- game? My brother is into those Ultima games.
-