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- From: hasse@solace.hsh.se (Hans Holmberg)
- Subject: Re: Last time on this one
- Message-ID: <1993Jan11.005905.1862@solace.hsh.se>
- Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden
- References: <C0Furt.I67@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <H.ea.7tZUy7WdW&k@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> <1iobpvINN79q@golem.wcc.govt.nz> <1iojg0INNjna@life.ai.mit.edu>
- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:59:05 MET
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- In <1iojg0INNjna@life.ai.mit.edu> dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:
-
- >In article <1iobpvINN79q@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
- >>> OS/2 2.x? NeXTstep '486 (when it comes out)?
- >>
- >>And what are the minimum system requirements for that!? How much RAM
- >>does it Need!?
-
- >A losing argument. No one complains that the ST's TOS requires more
- >than 4K of RAM, but in 1978 it would have been a real problem.
- >Likewise, one or two megs is no big deal now that SIMM prices are so
- >low. You will sound sillier with every passing month.
-
- >>And doesn't NEED a Hard Drive to run!!
-
- >Big deal. Get a hard drive anyway. They're cheap.
-
- >>OS/2 and windows are HUGE
-
- >Huge by 1985 (ST creation date) standards, maybe. Not by "real OS"
- >standards. You really have to try using a real OS sometime before you
- >pass judgement on these things.
-
- >>and VERY expensive
-
- >That's a GOOD one. $50 is *real* tough to manage for an OS, yeah.
-
- Yes, that's for the software! But what is the cost for the hardware
- requirements? The sodtware/hardware priceratio has been decreasing steadily
- for the last years for DOS-machines (IBM-clones), but it's still a bit to high
- for me or for the general user IMHO.
-
- >>the ST's operating system
- >>comes built in - you don't have to pay for it!
-
- >Right, and consequently you have to pay $75 to upgrade the OS. That
- >is, every 3 years when they fix the pending 100 bugs in TOS.
-
- Come on now! Don't tell me there is no bugs in Windows or OS/2? I have used
- Windows 3.1, and what is bugging me is when the program-manager crashes
- everything else crashes! You are left with a nice, clean desktop with no
- icons or windows! Great... As for OS/2 which I have used very little, it has
- some bugs too, but is more stable than Windows in my experience. MS/DOS I won't
- even discuss.. :)
-
- >>MS-Doze is the standard on IBM clones, and it is VERY under-productive!
-
- >What, exactly, do you DO with your ST that would be so much more
- >unproductively done on a PC? And in terms of calls, TOS is more
- >minimal than DOS is. And there IS no CLI for the ST, as far as Atari
- >is concerned. Only the (snicker) GEM desktop.
-
- Oh, so the GEM desktop is no good as GUI you mean? I find it very nice myself.
- It's not cluttered with loads of strange stuff that doesn't belong there,
- and btw the filemanager under windows is a joke. I haven't come across anything
- as effective and easy to use as the "filemanager" that GEM have. BUT: GEM is
- a bit outdated yes, but it's a perfectly good GUI as any.
-
- >Dave Baggett
- >--
- >dmb@ai.mit.edu MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
- /Hasse
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