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- From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
- Subject: Re: Good old Darek
- Message-ID: <1993Jan5.230257.17299@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
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- References: <4JAN93.09101838@cc4.crl.aecl.ca> <1993Jan4.225438.28925@sfu.ca> <72912@cup.portal.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:02:57 GMT
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- In article <72912@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
- >An immature child apparently using someone else's account
- >(csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca) wrote:
- >
- >(Just for example)
- >
- >>>What your close minded little message doesn't point out is that most
- >>>PCs (or Mac or Amigas for that matter) are not disposable computers
- >>>like the Atari ST is. An upgrade typically involves replacing a card
- >>>or plugging in a new card, not throwing away the whole computer and
- >>>buying another one.
-
- >>******************************************************************
- >>* The paragraph above is just PURE bullshit *
- >>******************************************************************
- >
- >That's what I love about dyed-in-the-wool, die-hard, card-carrying
- >Atari Cheerleaders... their clear, lucic and factual arguments to
- >support their positions.
-
- Well, I was willing to let that one go, since it seemed to have been
- elaborated on sufficiently, already.
-
- For the gory details, let's look at Mac history. The original Mac, released
- in 1984, came with 64K ROM and 128K RAM. This configuration was too tiny for
- the compiler to run in, and as a result, all Mac software development had to
- be cross-compiled from Lisas. To upgrade this system, you could get some 3rd
- party gear (Levco and Hyperdrive spring to mind) and butcher the boards to
- cram in 512K and a 10 or 20 meg hard drive. A year or so later Apple repented
- their erring ways and released the Fat Mac, which also came with a whopping
- 512K of RAM, but still the same old 8-1/2" 512x342 screen. Ok, so later we see
- the Mac Plus, with an astounding 1MB of RAM, and a 128K ROM. You could upgrade
- your Fat Macs to Mac Plus's by, guess what, ripping out the motherboard and
- sending it back to Apple to get a new one. Same story again when the SE was
- introduced, etc. etc.
-
- At least with the ST, you had a usable memory configuration from the start
- (512K and 1MB in '85) and space on the board to upgrade to a full 4 MB,
- without *requiring* you to jury-rig the RAM... And a real DMA bus for adding
- a hard drive, instead of soldering a hard drive interface onto the CPU pins...
- I dunno about the Amiga, but anyone who claims that Macs are genuinely
- upgradable is either a moron or has been brainwashed by the idiotic Apple
- propaganda.
-
- The point being - we've already rehashed time and time again how "upgradeable"
- PCs are. But to claim that Macs are upgradable *is* just pure BS, in my book.
- You throw away the motherboard and buy a new one. There's no *computer* left
- in that case when the motherboard is pulled out, just a bunch of inert plastic
- and a wimpy power supply that overheated and burned out in 40% of the
- production runs.
- --
- -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
-
- There's a rough border between genius and insanity, but I'm a dual citizen.
-