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- Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
- Subject: ST Upgrading
- Message-ID: <5JAN93.09331877@cc4.crl.aecl.ca>
- Date: 5 Jan 93 14:33:18 GMT
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- Question: Why did Windows only become popular recently?
- Answer: Until recently, no PC was fast enough to run it effectively.
-
- Question: Can a person with little or no computer knowledge set up
- his/her own PC?
- Answer: Not likely.
-
- Question: If you use DOS based software, how many user interfaces
- do you have to learn?
- Answer: One for each program.
-
- Question: Can an XT or AT owner expect to make much use of software
- released in 1993?
- Answer: Yes, if he/she needs door stops.
-
- Question: What company has built an empire based on upgrades (even
- when those upgrades provided minimal improvement)?
- Answer: Microsoft.
-
- Question: Who gave the world DOS?
- Answer: Microsoft (That's reason enough to hate Microsoft)
-
- Question: Who gave the world Edlin?
- Answer: Microsoft (a second reason to hate Microsoft)
-
- Question: If any other company besides IBM had marketed the XT, would
- it have survived?
- Answer: Not likely.
-
- Question: What computer was outdated when it was released?
- Answer: Anything with a 386SX processor.
-
- I am sure that someone who hates Atari, Apple, Commodore, etc can
- come up with a similar list of questions. The point is, everyone
- can criticize the other system. The point of MY posting about PCs
- was that I get to use them almost every day (XT right on up to a
- 40MHz 486) and I still prefer to use my Mega or my TT. No amount
- of bitching from Darek is going to change that.
-
- My statement that it has been cheaper to upgrade STs by replacing
- them IS true. When I bought a 520 for $1200 in 1985, a 640K PC
- with dual floppies cost over $5000. When I went to a Mega with a
- 20 meg HD I paid $3000. It was still over $5000 for an XT with
- a hard disk (I sold my 520 for $500). Software for the ST cost
- in the range of $50 - $125 when PC applications were $150 - $500
- for similar programs. Altogether, I have invested (all hardware
- and software) about $8000 in Atari hardware and software (I
- now have a Mega4, a dual 50-170 meg HD, an SLM605 laser, a
- REFLEX card (1024x496 on an SM124 monitor), a 21 meg floptical,
- and my software (Pagestream, Calamus SL, LDW, ...). If I
- had gone with the XT plus HD it is UNLIKELY that I would have
- swapped boards to go to an AT (several years ago there were
- many fewer clone manufacturers and very limited support; it's
- not the same today) I would have invested about another $2000-
- $3000 and would have had to abandon that for a 386 or 486 in
- order to run Windows based software. So, ignore the hype from
- pro-PC users. Overall the cost of swapping STs has been
- cheaper than upgrading PCs and software and I still use a
- computer bought in 1987 to run software written in 1992 and
- will run software written in 1993 quite nicely. Can the same
- be said for a 1987 vintage PC running software in 92 or 93?
-
-
- The following are quotations for computers based on a request
- for quotations I issued in Septermber 1984. You be the judge
- as to whether or not a PC was a good choice.
-
- CPU Tandy 2000 HP150 Mac
- 128K RAM 256K RAM 128K RAM
- one floppy two flop one floppy
- $3800 $5054 $4830
-
- DOS -- $361 $220 (Apple Opsys)
- 128K RAM $359 --- not avail
- mouse touch included
- & board $285 screen
- monitor $349 included included
- video
- card $600 included included
- 2nd
- floppy included included $790
-
- The next time someone describes the quick replacement
- of boards and components for a PC, just remember that
- the person is describing TODAY's market; not the
- market of '84 and '85 when there were very few suppliers
- (IBM failed to quote on the above request because it
- did not have a user friendly front end as required by
- the quote request. The HP150 touch screen was purchased
- because the Mac had virtually no software. The touch
- screen was used for four years to enter data to a
- CYBER database).
-
- Again, I stand by my statement that overal it was FAR
- cheaper to turn over STs than PCs as the computing
- world matured. It was even a better deal considering
- that I resold some early acquisitions to offset the
- cost of upgrades.
-