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- From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
- Subject: Re: Flushing Devices; C= doco (mutter!)
- Date: 9 Jan 93 00:32:22 GMT
- Organization: University of Washington
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- Message-ID: <crystal.726539542@glia>
- References: <1993Jan7.092127.13752@philips.oz.au> <1iia8tINNdeh@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <crystal.726454269@glia> <38423@cbmvax.commodore.com>
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- In <38423@cbmvax.commodore.com> bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking) writes:
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- >In article <crystal.726454269@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
- >>In <1iia8tINNdeh@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> davids@cats.ucsc.edu (Dave Schreiber) writes:
- >>
- >>
- >>>In article <1993Jan7.092127.13752@philips.oz.au> gduncan@philips.oz.au (Gary Duncan) writes:
- >>>>Passing thought ; why the heck aren't unused libraries/devices
- >>>>flushed automatically anyway? Sounds like a legacy of the days
- >>>>when hard disks were rare and dragging a device off floppy was
- >>>>time-consuming. Those days are gone...
- >>
- >>>Why should they be flushed? An unused library essentially takes up
- >>>zero memory, since the memory it uses can be demanded from it at
- >>
- >>Then how come running "avail flush" returned 75k of memory to me if they
- >>take up ZERO memory...?
- >>
- >>>any time (and will be demanded from it before a memory allocation
- >>>is allowed to fail). The only people for whom auto-removal of
- >>>libraries is important are developers who are checking for memory
- >>
- >>Warning: you are dealing in absolutes here... developers are not the ONLY
- >>people for whom auto-removal of libraries is important. Those with
- >>little ram trying to run DTP programs or Database programs that access
- >>large textfiles or graphics likewise need to be able to have as much memory
- >>available to them as possible for their work, too.
- >>
- >>>leaks; there are plenty of ways of flushing libraries on those
- >>>rare occassions when it is needed.
- >>
- >>Ok, so, other than "avail flush", what other ways are there? I want to
- >>recover as much as I can from those programs that don't clean up after
- >>themselves.
-
- >You have a fundamantal misunderstanding of how this all works. Libraries,
- >devices, fonts, etc all stay in memory after use so that if someone needs
- >them later on they are already in place and don't need to be reloaded again
- >and again. But all of these things have internal user counts that are zero
- >if no one has them open at the time. That means that the system can 'know'
- >what things can be deleted from memory if another program needs the ram
- >space. So, if you run up an application that needs a bunch of memory
- >(more than is currently available as shown by 'avail') the system will try
- >to flush everything with a zero user count. Anything that gets flushed by
- >doing an 'avail flush' will be flushed by the system under these conditions.
-
- >As for wanting to "recover as much as I can from those programs that don't
- >clean up after themselves" the fact is that the system can do nothing
- >about application resources that are not returned by the applications.
- >An 'avail flush' simply forces the system to do what it would do _anyway_
- >once you ran up your DTP program.
-
- > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
- > Brian Jackson Amiga Networking Group, Commodore-Amiga Inc.
- > bj@cbmvax.commodore.com
- > {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!bj or networking@cbmvax.commodore.com
- > uva uvam vivendo varia fit
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- THANK YOU!!!!!!
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- *FINALLY* I understand!!
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- *Is suddenly deafened by the cheer heard 'round the world...*
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- Crystal
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