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- From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
- Subject: Re: Going to the metal
- Message-ID: <um11wB1w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us>
- Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 16:38:29 EST
- References: <1993Jan5.191507.9754@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>
- Reply-To: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
- Organization: Lakes Public Access
- Lines: 75
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- mlelstv@spckls.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
-
- > Having a library per program defeats the concept of a library. Having
- > different but slightly incompatible libraries with the same name defeats
- > having an operating system.
-
- The point here is that there could be an official library, with the
- possibility of others being created that people found more useful. (I,
- for example, liked the requester.library over arp.) Again, I believe you
- feel unreasonably threatened by diversity. I don't intend to suggest
- that insanity should prevail, rather, that there would be several,
- perhaps three or four, popular libraries. (Just as there are several
- assemblers and C compilers: people have different tastes.) Admit it,
- Mr. Van Elst, you simply cannot stomach the idea of anything which would
- allow people to create things for the Amiga without being indoctrinated
- into the conservative programmers club. I can so little other
- explanation for such vehement opposition to anything which would
- drastically cut down on development times for newcomers. This isn't
- politics, Mr. Van Elst, it is science, as many people in this newsgroup
- would do well to remember.
-
- >
- > >> Look at the number of slightly incompatible MOD players out there to
- > >> get an idea of the problem.
- >
- > >I don't see that as a problem. Do you play Dungeons and Dragons, Mr. Van
- > >Elst? If so, take a look at the book tome of Magic, and look up the
- > >magic item called the 'Mirror of Simple Order'. I believe you've been
- > >playing around with it...
- >
- > I see that as a problem. Using a computer isn't metaphysics or philosophy.
-
- I never said it was a matter of metaphysics of philosophy. I said you
- behaved as if _you_ had looked into a Mirror of Simple Order. It turns
- you into a boring, lifeless, totally average, conservative, uncreative
- boor.
-
- > Finding out what program will work, will not work or even crash in what
- > situation is not my first goal and I left that to the theoretic computer
- > science people some years ago.
-
- And what has this to do with the hardware.library consideration? Nothing
- at all, I suspect.
-
- > >By the way, I _dare_ you to post that kind of thought in audio! It would
- > >start a war that would run for weeks! Now, you want to see _real_
- > >fanatics, step on someone's toes about his tracker.
- >
- > >That's why you have so many mod formats.
- >
- > That's simply because tracker programmers have little imagination.
- > They can't look beyond their next idea.
-
- Cheap insults now? It has much less to do with the programmers than the
- musicians. If you don't subscribe to c.s.a.audio, do so, and spew some
- invective on them! They will tear your ears off and eat your heart.
- (Yup, I had the temerity to suggest that neither MED nor Protracker were
- Intuitionised, and thus, an ongoing screamfest over the 'best interface'
- seemed a bit pointless. I was promtly handed my head...;) )
-
- > If you define a 'format' you make a specification and then write code
- > that follows that specification. MOD programmers did go the opposite
- > way by writing a new bit of code and seldomly write down what format
- > is understood by the player.
-
- That is completely rediculous. The situation has to do with many people
- working on trackers who were not working together. Each group
- implemented changes to add features, just like everything, even word
- processors, do. Would you have me believe, now, that if you and I both
- took a version of program X, and added features independantly of one
- another, that, provided we were 'by the book programmmers', our projects
- would be compatable beyond their basic structure? They would not. The
- only alternative would be to create an IFF. I would suggest you check
- your definitions for _format_. I believe you are referring to a
- _standard_, not a format.
-