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- From: pkt@lpi.liant.com (Scott Turner)
- Subject: Re: pointer comparisons
- Message-ID: <1993Jan8.150113.1643@lpi.liant.com>
- Sender: pkt@lpi (Scott Turner)
- Organization: Liant Software Corporation
- References: <1992Dec27.050118.1628@lpi.liant.com> <1992Dec30.184614.5551@microsoft.com> <1992Dec31.170223.21637@lpi.liant.com> <1993Jan1.155241.28217@ucc.su.OZ.AU> <9300300.29980@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <1993Jan4.200625.5680@lucid.com> <9300812.4038@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:01:13 GMT
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- In article <9300812.4038@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus James HENDERSON) writes:
- > maxtal> One consequence: abstract objects can exist.
- > maxtal>
- > maxtal> Corollary: such objects have states not accessible via
- > maxtal> the contiguous storage allocated for them.
- > maxtal> (via virtual function calls)
- >
- > To me, an abstract class is a class without any actual objects of that class,
- > so the idea of an "abstract object" seems to be an oxymoron. Similarly, the
- > idea that an object can have "state" that is not stored in its "storage" seems
- > to make a mockery of the whole idea of "storage".
-
- Since John MAX Skaller was drawing inferences from my belief that base
- class subobjects are objects, I want to go on record. I agree that
- "abstract objects" can exist, but the corollary does not follow.
-
- The easiest way to find an actual object of an abstract class is from
- the point of view of a constructor for an abstract class. What's the
- type of the object pointed to by 'this'? The type of that object is the
- abstract class, no question about it.
-
- In the corollary, John MAX Skaller is referring to a different scenario
- in which the object of abstract class is a base class subobject of a
- fully-constructed enclosing object. He concludes that the state of the
- enclosing object is part of the state of the base class subobject. The
- reasoning has something to do with the additional state being accessible via
- virtual function calls, but there's a big hole in it. Virtual functions
- (and non-virtual functions) can access any number of other objects,
- independent of the object for which they are called.
- --
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