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- From: sullivan@cs.washington.edu (Kevin Sullivan)
- Subject: Re: Debugging the process
- Message-ID: <1993Jan4.211140.19966@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
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- Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
- References: <1992Dec31.112259.1@bigez> <1993Jan2.191524.27916@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <1993Jan4.092037.1@bigez>
- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 21:11:40 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan4.092037.1@bigez> dmmatt@bigez (Mike Mattix) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan2.191524.27916@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, sullivan@cs.washington.edu (Kevin Sullivan) writes:
- >> In article <1992Dec31.112259.1@bigez> dmmatt@bigez (Mike Mattix) writes:
- >>>
- >>> [stuff deleted]
- >>>
- >>>The only
- >>>improvements in accuracy and timeliness of systems in the last 20 years
- >>>can be traced directly back to technological breakthroughs not new
- >>>project management/software engineering procedures.
- >>
- >> I sure wish I could judge whether or not to believe statements like this.
- >>
- >> I don't mean to pick on this author particular, but to note that software
- >> engineering debates are unlikely to converge for as long as their quality
- >> remains at the level of such ex cathedra pronouncements. If studies on a
- >> topic have been done, we should reference them when making assertions like
- >> this one; if not, we should indicate our correspondingly low confidence in
- >> the truth of such claims.
- >> [stuff deleted]
- >
- >Kevin,
- >
- > Let's put the shoe back on the other foot. What major improvement in the
- >implementation of computers has occured within the last 20 years due to
- >software management (i.e. methodologies, etc). Before denouncing me as a
- >heretic how about some proof that I am in error. (Those who know me will tell
- >you that I often am..)
- >[stuff deleted]
-
- Mike,
-
- First, I'm sorry but I don't have a good answer, offhand, to your question
- about computer implementations. Second, it seems unlikely that I'd want to
- denounce you as a heretic---sounds pretty extremeto me ---and even more
- unlikely that I'd actually do it; but I will keep in mind that if it ever
- comes to pass, I'll try to prove you wrong about something, first!
-
- More seriously, I wasn't making a judgement about the truth of what you
- were saying; also as I said in my reply to your original posting (above), I
- picked your statement somewhat arbitrarily (and perhaps unfairly) to make a
- point about the quality of software engineering debates---not all of them,
- but many. If we require substantiation of competing claims, then I think
- us more likely to converge on a consensus quickly. That's all. Sorry to
- highlight your claim in particular.
-
- Happy New Year,
- Kevin
-
-
-
- --
- Kevin Sullivan
- Department of Computer Science and Engineering, FR-35
- University of Washington
- Seattle, WA 98195
-