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- From: hagerman@ece.cmu.edu (John Hagerman)
- Subject: Reliability of Multiple Robot Systems
- In-Reply-To: gat@forsight2.jpl.nasa.gov's message of 11 Jan 1993 22:04:38 GMT
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- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:00:44 GMT
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- Like I said in the original post, I don't want the "How to Explore
- Mars" thread to be about reliability; I have therefore started a new
- thread to continue the discussion about reliability.
-
- [I don't speak for the Erebus project; the following are my opinions.]
- The Erebus project was not intended to explore reliability, so few
- conclusions about reliability should be drawn from it. That Dante
- failed at a single point of failure should not be surprising, given
- that a fault-tolerant design was not a goal. Goals must be limited in
- every experimental situation. The main goal of the Erebus was to test
- robotic technologies in a real environment; reliability was not a big
- concern since people would be there, and so reliability did not need
- to be included as a major goal of the project.
-
- gat@forsight2.jpl.nasa.gov (Erann Gat) writes:
- >
- >That using multiple small robots increases realiability is not a "naive
- >assumption", it is a theoretically and empirically verifiable fact. It
- >does not matter whether failure modes are independent. Unless there is
- >100% correlation among failures in multiple units (which is never the case)
- >having more units will increase the overall system reliability.
-
- This is a simplistic statement, which would lead to a hot debate if
- made in comp.risks (where it would be phrased "Four engine airplanes
- are obviously safer than two engine airplanes, so why aren't there
- more of them?"). Two factors this statement ignores are complexity,
- and how to maximize reliability while minimizing cost. Redundancy is
- a very important technique for creating reliable systems, but "mere
- redundancy" is *not* enough; it is a lot harder than that. Food for
- thought: multiple robot systems already have the very hard problem of
- constructive interaction; might this complicate reliability even more?
-
- [begin personal discussion]
-
- gat@forsight2.jpl.nasa.gov (Erann Gat) also writes:
- >...
- >You know Jerry, I'm really happy when you shoot your mouth off like this
- >because it makes me look diplomatic by comparison.
- >...
- >There you have it, folks: Jerry Roston cannot think of a solution to
- >the telemetry problem, ergo it is impossible to solve.
-
- Why are you being so nasty? If you have a bone to pick with someone,
- do it by email; the rest of us are not interested.
-
- [end personal discussion]
-
- - John
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- hagerman@ece.cmu.edu
-