home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
- Path: sparky!uunet!munnari.oz.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!squid.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU!ajw
- From: ajw@squid.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Andrew Waugh)
- Subject: Re: The "I" field
- Message-ID: <1993Jan11.231220.2901@mel.dit.csiro.au>
- Sender: news@mel.dit.csiro.au
- Organization: CSIRO, Division of Information Technology, Melbourne
- References: <9301111916.AA18613@gateway.mitre.org>
- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:12:20 GMT
- Lines: 45
-
- In article <9301111916.AA18613@gateway.mitre.org> epg@gateway.mitre.org ("Ella P. Gardner") writes:
- >The 1992 edition of the Directory standard has an initials attribute type.
- >The editor's draft of part 6 from the October 1991 Orlando meeting says:
- >
- >The Initials attribute type contains the initials of some or all of an
- >individual's names, but not the surname(s),
- >An attribute value for Initials is a string, e.g. "D" or "D." or "J.P."
-
- Damn. And I thought X.500 had avoided all the nonsense that plague
- X.400 O/R addresses.
-
- I'd be interested in arguments _for_ the provision of an 'initial'
- attribute and the benefits the provision of this attribute is expected
- to provide.
-
- The basic argument _against_ is that the structure of human names
- varies so much from society to society that attempting to split the
- name into components is a pointless exercise. Even the provision of
- 'surname' is not necessarily useful in all cultures. In Indonesia,
- for example, it is apparently common to have only one name, and not
- to have a surname (or equivalent). (Source: 'Naming Systems of Ethnic
- Groups', Dept. of Social Security, Australia).
-
- By providing attributes to store naming components, two things occur.
-
- First, databases are designed assuming that such fields always occur.
- The same DSS book, for example, suggests that when an Indonesian name
- without a surname is entered into their computer system, the name
- should be entered into the family name field and a title (e.g. 'Mr')
- should be entered into the given name field and the title field should
- be blank.
-
- Second, software will be written that assumes that naming components
- have certain relationships. An example: that the surname always
- occurs last (a quick search of the DSS book shows just how frequently
- this assumption -- common in Anglo-Saxon communities -- is wrong).
-
- Finally, if we are going to have an attribute to store one type of
- name component, why not other types? The sex indicator in Vietnamese
- names or the generational name in Chinese names, for example.
-
- Name components just open up a whole can of worms for little or no
- benefit as far as I can see.
-
- Andrew Waugh
-