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- From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
- Subject: Re: SUBMIT help please.
- Date: 11 Jan 1993 10:49:49 GMT
- Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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- References: <1993Jan10.224954.21329@npal.rn.com>
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-
- In article <1993Jan10.224954.21329@npal.rn.com>, sbrant@npal.rn.com writes:
- > I know I have seen this here before, and I can not seem to
- > find the info wherever I have placed it, so I could find it
- > when I needed it. ( you know how it goes!)
- >
- > Anyway, I have an EXE program that runs with no problem.
- > The program does not require any input from a user. It is simply
- > a special file processing program.
- >
- > When I start the .com file with the following commands, all works
- > well.
- >
- > $ define/exec sys$input sys$command
- > $ run/error=nla0:/output=nla0: dua1:[data.sweep]scanit
- >
- > Now the problem arises. I want to SUBMIT this com procedure
- > so we can schedule the execution of the .exe program.
- >
- > Submitting the com program causes a failure. Nothing works.
-
- And, of course, the message given when the procedure fails couldn't possibly
- tell you (or us) anything at all about the problem, right? If the account
- under which the procedure is running doesn't have CMEXEC as a default priv,
- then the DEFINE command returns a success status, even though the logical name
- is only defined in SUPERVISOR MODE. Depending on what your program does, this
- may or may not be important.
-
- > If I remember correctly, I think I need to use the loginout
- > program to do this, but as I said, I can not find the info
- > on how to do this.
-
- You don't remember correctly; If you'd even come close to understanding the
- discussion about such things, you'd've realized that in this case, running
- LOGINOUT is probably irrelevent; you'd've at least understood that telling us
- the error messages/status you got was indespensible in helping with your
- problem.
-
- > Would someone please help?
-
- Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
- A: Only one, but the light bulb has to really want to be changed.
-
- Q: How many of the idiots posting to INFO-VAX/comp.os.vms does it take to ask an
- answerable question?
- A: At least three to provide all the necessary information for us to help them;
- Unfortunately, they're providing the various parts of the information to
- allow us to answer at least three totally unrelated questions.
-
-
- IF YOU WANT HELP, YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE US THE NECESSARY INFORMATION. YOU HAVE
- *NOT* DONE SO.
-
- VMS, either in error messages from the utilities you invoked at the DCL level,
- or in the information it offered to provide in response to the calls you made
- in your program, undoubtedly told you a hell of a lot more than you're telling
- us. WHY THE HELL CAN'T YOU PASS THAT INFORMATION ON? You're too stupid to
- relay the error messages? You're too damned stupid to check the status of
- calls to RTLs or system services in your program? You believe that computers
- work by magic? Which of the above?
-
- Arthur C. Clarke was right. He was simply mistaken in his (apparent) belief
- that we would not, within his lifetime, see technology reach the point that
- it is, to people like sbrant, indistinguishable from magic.
-
- Definition for the day:
- Computer literate: Able to play games on a computer, while still
- firmly believing that computers work by magic.
- Proof of validity of definition:
- See sbrant's post.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL
-
- Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My
- understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So
- unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
- organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
- hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
-