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- From: x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu
- Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
- Subject: Re: Microsoft and Force continued.
- Message-ID: <1993Jan10.233019.7187@gw.wmich.edu>
- Date: 10 Jan 93 23:30:19 EST
- References: <1993Jan8.175811.7172@gw.wmich.edu> <1993Jan10.061732.13960@nosc.mil>
- Organization: Western Michigan University
- Lines: 68
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- In article <1993Jan10.061732.13960@nosc.mil>, discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan8.175811.7172@gw.wmich.edu> 177wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
- >>
- >> To clear up some confusion...
- >>
- >> If I am not mistaken (and I might be but I don't think so), the
- >>deal that Microsoft has with the cloners is as follows:
- >>
- >> Each of your PCs MUST have MS-DOS/Windows preloaded in order
- >>to get a special discount.
- >>
- >> It has nothing to do withbulk. Even if you sell 3 million PCs,
- >>you have to install it on all 3 million to get the deal. This is
- >>totally unfair and I will use an example that the US government already
- >>interfered in:
- >>
- >> In 1990, Nintendo America would often threaten not to let stores
- >>sell Nintendo or Nintendo made cartridges for their popular game machine
- >>if the seller stocked competing systems. This is wrong.
- >>
- >> Similarly, Microsoft is not saying (if you buy 1 box fo windows
- >>then it costs $70, buy 10 and it is $60, buy 1,000,000 and it is only $50.
- >>Their deal is you MUST put Windows on every PC that you sell or you don't
- >>get the discount on MS-DOS/Windows.
- >> Speaking as a purchasing director, it is not realistic for many
- >>companies to turn down this deal since MS-DOS is the standard.
- >>
- >> This is what is so immoral (in my opinion). Now you can say
- >>"Hey, they aren't forced into that deal" but try to live in the real
- >>world when you argue such a thing. Customers want MS-DOS. DR. DOS
- >>is rarely requested except by experienced computer users who simply want
- >>Dr. DOS. Other companies may want MS-Windows but our company never
- >>receives requests for it. (We do not have a contract with Microsoft).
- >> In short, this form of marketting is highly questionable. I won't
- >>even argue it with people taking the naive stance of "Well you aren't
- >>forced to sign that contract!"
- >>
- >> -Brad
- >>
- >>
- >
- > I agree with everything you've said except this: Microsoft does not say
- > that a Vendor cannot sell other operating systems. Secondly, the "deal"
- > in question is only one of several packages that Microsoft offers... and
- > the fact that MANY companies do not sign up with the agreement (And have
- > thus far seen no adverse effects) demonstrates that no force, economic or
- > otherwise, is put to people to sign the agreement.
- >
- > Whether or not such marketing is illegal or immoral is a subjective
- > question...
- >
- > Joe.
- > My opinions.
- >
- One of the newer packages that MS is shelling out is Windows
- for Workgroups/DOS 5 for $6.
-
- In the card industry, that is called "dumping" and is illegal.
- I am not as familiar with that deal as the get MSDOS/Windows real cheap
- if you sign that you will install it on every system you sell. If
- customer wants OS/2 then sell it to them but you still have to give
- them MS-DOS and Windows.
-
- -Brad
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