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- From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
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- Subject: Re: Is Microsoft using "Force"???
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- Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:45:46 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan5.215257.11908@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman) writes:
- >You're method of argument is interesting--all you do is shout that Microsoft
- >is guilty of "forcing" and "coercing", as if it would be true if you say it
- >loud and often enough. George Orwell was very familier with this technique,
- >ever read 1984? "Slavery is Freedom, Hate is Love, Peace is War." Its used
- >by dictators of every color as a tool for thought controll.
-
- The difference here is that Orwell's technique involves redefining words to
- the direct opposite of their accepted meanings; in this discussion, the
- analogous technique would be something like "Consent is Coercion". I'm not
- arguing from that premise; I'm arguing that the agreements that major cloners
- sign with MS are made under economic duress.
-
- >Lets go to the arbiter of language and see what it says about "force" and
- >"coerce". I'll tell you what mine dictionary has to say about them--and
- >don't believe me just because I said it--you all have dictionaries too so
- >look it up for yourself:
-
- Oh, goody. A dictionary flame. Here's what my dictionary (The American
- Heritage Dictionary, New College edition - the only one handy at the moment)
- has to say about force and coercion:
-
- force: (among the physics-related definitions) 5. A capacity for affecting the
- mind or behavior.
- coercion: The art or practice of coercing. (OK, so:)
- coerce: To force to act or think in a given manner; to compel by pressure or
- threat.
- pressure: 4. A constraining influence upon the mind or will.
- threat: an expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or
- punishment on a person or thing.
-
- >In order for an action to properly be called "coercion" there MUST be the
- >threat of or actional violence, of the which and by the way so there may be
- >no confusion on this point here is the definition of violence:
-
- Nope. Coercion can be nonviolent, but harmful.
-
- >If you misuse a word when you talk, that indicates that you arn't the one who
- >is talking--you are using the word how you've been told it should work.
-
- I'm not misusing the words, though.
-
- >The moral of the story is this: Think for yourself in crystal-clear words.
-
- I am. Are you?
- --
- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
- jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
- "Science is all in the public domain, and allows few secrets."
- -- Tom Clancy, _The Sum of All Fears_
-