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- From: linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
- Subject: Re: NT Destined to Succeed??
- Message-ID: <1993Jan05.102626.1002@donau.et.tudelft.nl>
- Date: 5 Jan 93 10:26:26 GMT
- References: <19189@mindlink.bc.ca> <1993Jan4.203237.10215@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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- jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes:
-
- >In article <19189@mindlink.bc.ca> Ian_Upright@mindlink.bc.ca (Ian Upright) writes:
- >>
- >>Why do I now think that OS/2 will definitely dominate the desktops in the
- >>future, and why NT won't be the *most* popular platform on PC's in general?
-
- >(small deletion)
- >>
- >>Here's why:
- >>
- >>Why do so called UNIX OS's (in our terms) fail? Because lack of a user
- >>base.. And because the user base is so low, the prices must be higher.
-
- >Well, there may be more people using OS/2 than DR-DOS, but it is the
- >microSoft folks who have the user base.
-
- >(deletion)
- >>
- >>Windows NT will not be compatable, and will even have worse compatabilities
- >>than OS/2, thus driving the NT user base down even more..
- >>
-
- >The history of software is that significant advances are 'not compatable'
- >with old software. Incompatabilities have been the norm and the industry
- >has survived.
-
- Are you sure about that? Not in the PC world anyway.
-
- >(Indeed, IBM's mainframe business might be super prospering today if FS
- >(Future Systems) had been brought to market in the 70's {FS was an AS400 type
- >operating system}. It was not because the salesmen said the customers didn't
- >want something incompatable with OS/360. So IBM mgmt opted for gradualism [MVS]
- >instead of incompatability.)
-
- >>There is a lot of anti-Microsoft love/hate relationships going around with
- >>Microsoft. People are starting to see Microsoft as a company that looks
- >>out only for itself, and not for it's users.. There is a LOT of
- >>anti-windows feelings out there.. Many people hate windows, but only use
- >>it because there really wasn't a better alternative.. Now there is..
- >>Thus driving the Windows and the NT user base down even more..
- >>
-
- >Well, in the 60's and much of the 70's IBM was the most hated computer
- >vendor in the country. And people like Burroughs made much much much better
- >computers that anyone who tried really liked a lot better. But that didn't
- >make Burroughs successful.
-
- >>There is a lot of OS/2 advocacy out there.. If someone turned all those
- >>OS/2 advocacy quotes into bumper stickers, I'm sure they'd sell pretty
- >>fast.. Thus driving the NT user base down even more..
- >>
-
- >And there are a lot of loony f-ball fanatics here at Ohio State, but that
- >doesn't make OSU *win* anymore games.
-
- >(more stuff deleted)
- >>
- >>Where's OS/2 headed??? On all our desktops.. :) Thank goodness.. relief
- >>from Microsoft at last.. Just think!!! Imagine a popular OS without
- >>any Microsoft APPS!!! Doesn't that sound nice?? I wonder if Microsoft
- >>will be bankrupt by the end of the 90's? I wonder if Microsoft has started
- >>developing OS/2 apps like the said they would.. Hopefully not.. :)
-
- >My father was a programmer on an IBM 305 RAMAC; so I have followed the
- >industry since the 50's and have noticed the following about predictions:
-
- >1-7 years - fairly accurate - just look at what the smart people are
- > doing today and extrapolate.
-
- >8-12 years - right about half the time at best - guess today on what's
- > going to work tomorrow.
-
- >13-20 years - right damn little of the time - "Who would want a computer
- > in their home?" - author to member of Home Brew Computer Club
-
- >Don't underestimate Dave Cutler and the rest of the NT crew. Dave and five
- >others extended DEC's life 10 years. He has done well in the past.
-
- >But I suspect technical matters will not be paramount in the _short run_.
- >They never have been in the past so I don't know why they should be now.
-
- >microSoft will give NT a good launch and it will pull into the lead, just like
- >Windoze.
-
- Specify. Into the lead of what? Desktop usage, server usage, workstation
- usage?
-
-
- >OS/2 will stay around. Hay, the Amiga is still here! But will it eventually
- >pull ahead? IMHO, no way unless two factors occur.
-
- > 1) IBM has to decide to say in the low end computer business.
- > (They will never be what they once were, but they can still be
- > a lot more successful than microSoft.)
-
- >and 2) IBM has to make OS/2 both less costly and more productive than NT.
- > (They are playing catch-up!)
-
- I don't quite see how they can be playing catch-up, when NT is not
- released yet.
-
- >BTW, that Scholar's Academic Workstation idea recently kicked around on the
- >net recently looks like a good start if anyone in IBM marketing is listening.
- >--
- > Jim Ebright (james.ebright@osu.edu)
- > "Spam, eggs, sausage and spam - that's not got much spam in it."
- > Fax # 614-785-0292. Tel # 614-785-0282. Beeper # 614-646-1093
- > >>> All kids can be educated -- even yours and mine. <<<
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- Erik van Linstee | Delft University of Technology | I'll be back ...
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