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- From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c
- Subject: Re: Newbie Wants Advice on C-Programming
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- Date: 11 Jan 93 17:07:28 GMT
- References: <1993Jan5.185131.3782@Cadence.COM> <1993Jan8.072703.3305%kgphuann@Uz.nthu.edu.tw>
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- In article <1993Jan8.072703.3305%kgphuann@Uz.nthu.edu.tw> kgphuann@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Kho-Guan Phuann (LING G794709) TEL.(035)715131-4888) writes:
- >daled@cadence.com (Dale DePriest) writes:
- >> ......
- >> The discussion mentions Borland C++. You may not know that this is
- >> also known as Turbo C/C++. The Turbo version is adequate to learn on
- > ?????????????????????????????????????????
- >> and is quite a bit cheaper. The full Borland version provides a full
- >> environment for professional programmers. The Turbo C can often be
- >> had inexpensively in the used market, going rate about $25, by people
- >> that are moving to C++. Version 2 is excellent and supports all that
- >> you need to get going.
- >> ......
-
- Turbo C++ and Borland C++ are NOT the same product! That is like
- saying a Ford Festiva and a Ford Mustang are the same thing. (Ok,
- so there's probably a better ford than a Mustang, but I'm not a big
- car person -- I hope people get the right idea here)
-
- > Sorry, I can not but complain here about the poor documents
- >Turbo C++ for DOS provides since the product seems to be overly
- >valued. I bought Turbo C++ for DOS 3.0 by an educational discount.
- >The retailer told me the package is exactly the same as that
- >without discount. Yes, it is *quite a bit cheaper*, but I am rather
-
- The Turbo C++ you bought at a discount is the exact same package
- as the Turbo C++ you could have bought off the shelf without the
- discount. That is NOT the same as Borland C++, which you could
- probably have purchased at an educational discount (note: I am
- not connected w/ education or Borland, so I cannot promise this,
- but I see no reason it shouldn't be available with an educational
- discount).
-
- >disappointed at finding out that there is only one user's manual
- >in it. They try to include everything in that book, including
- >several hundred pages of C/C++ language tutorial which, though
- >well written, occupie much space. And the most important infor-
- >mation I need such as the IDE, which is appreciated by everybody,
- >is only provided with very few descriptions. It is usually referring
- >the reader to on-line help, but on-line help can only serve well as a
- >reminiscent reference. As a new Turbo C++ user, I need step by step
- >tutorial on all the menu items. I did try to get help from on-line
- >help, but its sections always assume the knowledge of each other
- >circularly. I am always stuck in it.
- >
- > Some days ago, I borrowed Borland C++ 2.0 from a teacher, and was
-
- Did they get it at an educational discount? <g>
-
- >impressed by the many manuals packed with it. From the manuals, I
- >learned some very basic technique of using IDE. Yes, money speaks
- >loudest. But isn't it a compiler vendor's obligation to instruct
- >its customers to use its product, especially use its specific
- >features, in an understandable way?
-
- Yes, but teaching how to use the compiler does not entail
- teaching the language. Many people do not quite understand
- this. When you buy that Ford Festiva, they don't give you
- a driving class to help you get your drivers license. Same
- thing here. You are supposed to know the language already,
- or get that information from an appropriate source. Their
- only obligation is to teach you to use the compiler. Setting
- memory models, documenting the library routines, etc.
-
- >pleasure, while I learn Turbo C++ with frustration.
- >
- > KhoGuan PhuaN
- > kgphuann@uz.nthu.edu.tw
-
- I think your frustration is caused by unrealistic expectations.
-
- I would recommend the Borland C++ package over the Turbo C++
- package for anyone who is serious about using C++. The Turbo C++
- package is a low-cost minimal package, useful if you are already
- taking a C++ course. The Borland C++ package is much fancier
- with more documentation, additional libraries, and better (faster,
- better optimization) compiler. I also think that the Turbo C++
- is only for DOS, or only for Windows (one or the other...) but
- the Borland C++ can create both types of applications.
-
-
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