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- Path: sparky!uunet!mcsun!news.funet.fi!hydra!klaava!wirzeniu
- From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
- Subject: Re: Reducing traffic on c.o.l.
- Message-ID: <1993Jan11.203859.20237@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
- Organization: University of Helsinki
- References: <1993Jan11.072811.4066@athena.mit.edu>
- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:38:59 GMT
- Lines: 82
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- dthumim@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J Thumim) writes:
- >Probably the least interesting posts are newbie questions and please for
- >help. Perhaps we can cut down on these by setting up separate help forums,
- >and *advertising* them, here, in the [meta-]faq, with linux distributions,
- >in the form of instructions for getting help... with posting to c.o.l.
- >listed as a last resort only!
-
- Since people don't read meta-faqs, faqs, readmes, man pages, and
- anything else that answers their questions, except for direct replies
- to questions posted to comp.os.linux, why would they read about all
- these new, wonderful ways to get answers to their questions?
-
- Well, actually there are an awful lot of people who _do_ read them,
- but they aren't the problem, since they generally don't post to c.o.l
- anyway.
-
- Your idea is good, and I'd suggest something similar myself, except
- that I don't think it will work very well in practise. Trying to get
- people to follow netiquette and behave like the intelligent, civilized
- human beings they think they are, seems to be a doomed project, and
- will probably only result in frustration for the people who do it.
-
- Just about the only two ways to reduce traffic in a group on Usenet
- seem to be a) make the group moderated (not an option for c.o.l, way
- too much work for the moderator), or b) remove the group.
-
- As for the suggestion that people should add [keywords] to their
- subjects, I doubt that it works much better than trying to get people
- to use descriptive subjects in general. Is "[X] help" that much
- better than a plain "help"? Should it be preferred to "Logitech
- busmouse not recogized by Xfree86 1.1"? (I will ignore the fact that
- most of the X questions here should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix,
- since many of them are, in fact, also at least slightly relevant to
- c.o.l.)
-
- Besides, enforced keywords are a de-facto split, but implemented in a
- crude and unpleasant manner.
-
- >People should realize how many other people's time they are
- >wasting...
-
- Exactly, with 30000+ readers, if every people use just one second per
- article, that is still a full working day in total. And with the way
- some people quote text, one has to scroll through several pages of
- stuff that is not relevant to the actual purpose of the post, so the
- one second is highly optimistic.
-
- Just think about it, if you post an article that takes as little as
- half a dozen seconds to process per reader, you are wasting an entire
- work week.
-
- And while we're computing, if you have a problem, read the FAQ,
- manuals, and other documentation (such as a Unix book), you can often
- find the answer in a matter of minutes. If you post to comp.os.linux,
- instead, you might not get an answer for a day or two. Efficient, eh?
-
- >Please, people, think before posting!
-
- However, since _I_ am a good guy, _I_ don't have to so I'm going to
- post this anyway. ;-)
-
- Please note: I am still not troubled by the volume as such, only by
- the volume of noise, i.e. things that either don't belong here (IMHO,
- of course), or things that would be solved by RTFMing. I realize that
- I may be in a better position in this regard than most, though. And
- before _another_ person accuses me of things I didn't do (thankfully
- he did it in mail, so I could just ignore him), I'll note that I did
- _not_, in fact, vote _against_ the new groups when the vote was held,
- and I even went as far as advertising the vote in two issues Linux
- News, and generally encouraging people to vote. I did not want to
- hear complaints afterwards that the "Linux gurus" tried to sabotage
- the vote. I also knew there would be a lot of bitter complaints by
- unsatisfied people if the split failed (was I right or what?), and
- hoped that if many people voted there would be clear margin either
- way. Unfortunately, the votes were fairly evenly distributed (several
- hundred votes per group, and all but one failed the "more than 100 yes
- votes than no votes" rule), and the result only indicates that the
- c.o.l readership is (or was) pretty much evenly divided on the issue.
-
- --
- Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
- MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
-