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- From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
- Subject: Re: [misc.activism.progressive] Clinton Office Requests Comments
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- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:18:06 GMT
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- triley@weber.ucsd.edu (Tristan Riley) writes:
- > bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
-
- > a wonderful summing up! libertarianism as the ideology of the
- > frustrated children of the elite. of course, none of the randites
- > believes in society (as has been painfully demonstrated on this
- > network),
-
- I think you need to try reading those postings a bit more closely.
- "Randites" are NOT libertarians, and they DO very much "believe in
- society" as being a good thing.
-
- Regarding the assertion that libertarians and/or objectivists are
- the spoiled children of "the elite", I think that this generalization
- applies much more to the liberal/socialist mindset (people who feel
- guilty about positions they consider unearned) whereas more of the
- objectivists tend to be "self-made" and from less 'elite' backgrounds.
-
- Do you have any evidence of this other than your tiresome class
- warfare theories?
-
- > so making an argument, however sensible and consistent,
- > about libertarianism as being cultivated by socio-economic variables
- > rather than the incredible reasoning powers of a few gifted
- > bootstrap-pulling horatio algers is bound to fall on deaf (and
- > hostile) ears. still, nice job, mr. shein. expect, as you
- > anticipate, dozens of replies from "lower class libertarians" (who
- > of course toiled their "self-defeating ethic" of the underclass
- > into which they were born) who will see in their social
- > point of origin a refutation of your argument because they aren't
- > quite prepared to admit that in a libertarian society there'd be
- > no school loans, scholarships, etc.
-
- If you think that in a fully capitalist society there would be no school
- loans and scholarships? Do you think that nobody cares about education enough
- to donate money without being threatened with jail? Do you think that
- there were no loans and scholarships before the days of the welfare state?
- Perhaps you ought to read some history too.
-
- --Brian
-