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- From: john@chance.gts.org (John R MacMillan)
- Subject: Re: Return and read receipts (was Re: Return-Receipt-To & forwarding...)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.220459.474@chance.gts.org>
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- References: <1992Dec31.003223.22169@blilly.UUCP> <1992Dec31.175537.22573@chance.gts.org> <1993Jan1.154728.29237@blilly.UUCP>
- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:04:59 GMT
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- |>|Lack of a bounce message tells me nothing useful:
- |>| the message might have been delivered successfully to the
- |>| intended destination
- |>
- |>By far the most likely of the possibilities.
- |
- |On what mathematical analysis or statistical evidence do you base that assertion?
-
- None, of course. I base it on quite a lot of personal experience.
- Email has been getting better every year, ever since I've been using
- it; more of my mail gets through, and I get bounces almost all the
- time it doesn't. Your mileage may vary, but I doubt it varies by much.
-
- |I never claimed that that other information, mentioned in a sidebar, was
- |useful as an indication of receipt. Why are you trying to put words into my
- |mouth?
-
- I certainly did not intend to, and if you think I was, I apologize. I
- assumed that since you brought up that information in a discussion
- about the value of receipts as delivery indicators, you felt it was
- somehow relevant. Again my apologies if you knew it was irrelevant.
-
- |Sounds more like you were trying to twist the previous poster's wording
- |around to suit your own preconceived notions.
-
- I already discussed this with Steve, but that was not my intent. The
- intent was to point out the preconceived notions people have about
- these receipts, that is, that they represent proof. I think we all
- agree that this is not the case, but plenty of naive users do not know
- this. Strong words, such as proof, encourage this belief.
-
- |As long as you're going to be pedantic, ``failure to receive a bounce'' is no
- |indication (of successful delivery) at all.
-
- Sure it is. If mail is as unreliable as you seem to think, it's not a
- very good indication, but if it's as reliable as I think it is, it's
- not a bad indication.
-
- We can continue to bicker about this indefinitely, but I'm afraid it
- won't get either of us anywhere; this argument has been going on for
- as long as I've used email, and I'm getting rather tired of it. Make
- you a deal, you can continue to use Return-Receipt-To, and I'll
- continue to drop all mail with non-standard headers. :-)
-
- Seriously, I've said all I can say on the topic. Good night, Gracie.
-