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- From: apn@Apple.COM (Alex Novickis)
- Newsgroups: comp.lsi,sci.electronics
- Subject: Re: Lattice & GAL questions...
- Message-ID: <76090@apple.apple.COM>
- Date: 4 Jan 93 23:46:22 GMT
- References: <1992Dec28.023739.9176@softwords.bc.ca>
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- In article <1992Dec28.023739.9176@softwords.bc.ca> jmacphai@cue.bc.ca (James MacPhail) writes:
- >Is there a Lattice Semiconductor engineer or e-mail address
- >here-abouts? I'm looking for the answers to the following:
- >
- >What's the difference between a GAL16V8 and a GAL16V8A?
- >
- 16v8 = 1st design
- 16v8a = product terms added to allow feedback paths in simple mode
- 16v8b = added pullups to all pins
- 16v8A-QP = quarter power 16v8a design
-
- >What are the product term disable fuses useful for?
- >(Other than the obvious... why are these in the architecture?
- >do they alter the speed/power dissipation?)
- >
- YES!! They alter the power usage. Bingo. However I have yet to see a
- programmer & software package that allows you to set these. Apparently
- the bottleneck is in the programmer, but I can't see why exactly.
-
- >Why is the architecture configuration still accessible after
- >programming the security fuse? It seems to me that this saves
- >a few hours for the buggers off-shore (or on-shore!) that are going
- >to reverse engineer my product!
- Modern programmers have built-in algorithms to detect what
- if the type of device you plugged-in matches the device you selected.
- This is sometimes important to prevent damage to both device and
- programmer.
-
- The only time I can see this to be of significance is when you include
- test vectors in your download to the programmer.
-
- >And finally... why is the 16V8 so much cheaper than the 22V10?
- >A factor of two seems reasonable to me, but 4-6x seems excessive.
- >I've been putting in two 16V8s instead of a 22V10 in most cases,
- >and am happy to continue to do so, but it seems to me that there
- >would be more profit for Lattice if the 22V10 came down some.
- 16V8 production volumes are much higher.
-
- >
- >Thanks for your time...
- >
- >James MacPhail jmacphai@cue.bc.ca james@mirg2.phy.queensu.ca
-
- Call 1-800-fast-gal for GAL info. They usually have an engineer
- type you can talk to within minutes.
-
- Strangely, I just knew most of thes of the top of my head, and I'm
- *not* associated with lattice.
-
-
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