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- From: nick@sw.stratus.com (Nicolas Tamburri)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
- Subject: Re: Forth Standard Debate
- Date: 4 Jan 1993 15:01:22 GMT
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- In article <1i7flnINN9or@life.ai.mit.edu>, mikc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mike Coughlin) writes:
- > Well I'm glad I did manage to write a little bit of helpful prose.
- > Which part of my paragraph above do you dissagree with most? Has
- > Forth ever been standardized? Has a new Forth standard ever replaced an
- > old standard? Do you expect people to stop using F-PC, F83 or fig Forth
- > when the ANSI standard is finished?
-
- By this definition, nothing is ever standardized because there are always hold-outs
- hanging on to their older standards. ANSI C did nothing to standardize C because there
- are still people with programs that only compile under K&R C. Of course people will
- still be using existing systems. The question to ask is what will new applications
- be written in? I suspect that existing commercial languages will quickly move to
- support the ANSI model if they want to survive. I also suspect that anyone who
- values cross-platform compatability will buy only ANSI compliant Forths as a matter
- of course. I could be wrong. We'll see when the standard hits the streets.
-
- BTW: I note that you defend the idea that Forth has never had a standard by naming
- two standard implementations F83 which implements the FORTH-83 standard, and
- fig-Forth which was a defacto standard. How you can invoke these 2 implementations
- and simultaneously deny that Forth ever had standards is beyond me.
-
- > | You ignore what must be hundreds of thousands of installations
- > |of 83-STANDARD, the finest embedded control language known to computer
- > |science.
- > There is no particular need to follow any sort of Forth standard in
- > embedded systems. The Forth code is hidden away where only its author
- > will see it.
-
- The first sentence is ridiculous. There is always a need to follow standard
- procedures and use standard tools where available in any non-throwaway application,
- and often even there. Regarding the second sentence: How is this
- different from any stand-alone application?
-
- > Michael Coughlin mikc@gnu.ai.mit.edu
-
- /nt
-