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- From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada
- Subject: Re: An Ada Program Does What It Says?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan6.215758.10007@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
- Date: 6 Jan 93 21:57:58 GMT
- References: <9301031530.AA17787@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu> <1993Jan4.082827.11773@hellgate.utah.edu>
- Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
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- In <1993Jan4.082827.11773@hellgate.utah.edu> matwood%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Mark Atwood) writes:
-
- >In article <9301031530.AA17787@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu>, SAHARBAUGH@ROO.FIT.EDU writes:
- >>I searched B&M's book and noted each example program whose
- >>output is "indeterminate" or "implementation dependent". I
- >>noted the page number on which the answer appears.
-
- >(deleted)
-
- >>My warning stands. Ada code looks deceptively readable. The
- >>reader must understand the language translator and the
- >>runtime environment to be able to correctly read an Ada
- >>program.
-
- >I just finished reading those books, and yes there do seem to be a lot of
- >indeterminate and compiler dependent "thing" in the Ada standard. A co-
- >worker and I discussed it for a while and made the observation that probably
- >every language has these "gotcha"'s, they just aren't as well documented
- >or understood.
-
- >Stuff like expression ordering, floating point representation, concurency,
- >etc, will always be indeterminate.
-
- >Not to trigger yet another C vs Ada flamefest, but this expression in
- >C is a classic example...
-
- > r = (i++ == ++i)
-
- It is also, of course, quite well documented and understood. You are
- correct in stating that just about every language is going to have
- syntactically correct constructs which produce undefined or
- implementation-defined results. You are, however, incorrect in your
- assumption that Ada is the only language in which these things are
- well documented or understood.
-
- [One typically sees a lot more people making mistakes like that above
- in C simply because one sees a lot more inadequately or untrained
- people working in C than one sees working in Ada -- and we're back to
- the 'popularity' issue.]
-
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