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- From: CDO@IB.RL.AC.UK (C D Osland)
- Newsgroups: comp.graphics.visualization
- Subject: Re: SIGGRAPH to do online electronic publication
- Message-ID: <9301081838.AA24784@psi.rutgers.edu>
- Date: 8 Jan 93 18:20:38 GMT
- References: <gritz@EDU.GWU.SEAS>
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- On 8 Jan 93 16:49:18 GMT <gritz@EDU.GWU.SEAS> said:
- >>rsc@altair.csustan.edu (Steve Cunningham) writes:
- >>
- >>| and images will be provided in tiff format and possibly other formats.
- >
- >In reply, davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes:
- >
- >> This is a good example when GIF may be better than JPEG, and might
- >>even be the optimal choice for this content.
- >>...
- >> While GIF is limited to 256 colors,
- >>quantization and dithering can provide an acceptable (if not optimal)
- >>image form 24 bit color, and would probably be a better compromise.
- >
- >Sorry, but I must very strongly take exception to this.
- ... GIF vs TIFF deleted
- >Secondly (and most importantly), as far as anybody interested in this
- >type of research is concerned, 256 colors are totally unacceptable, no
- >matter how well they are quantized and dithered. Anything less than
- >24 bits isn't worth the paper it's printed on. (How's that for mixing
- >of metaphors?)
-
- I agree about quantization to 256 colours being unacceptable but '<24
- bits' being unacceptable is too strong - where is the argument against
- 15, 18 or 21 bits? Or the 16 bits of YUV/YIQ (ignore the PAL/NTSC
- spatial resolution which clouds this issue). The main problem is that
- quantization (to as few as 256 colours) is not acceptable, rather than
- the nunmber of colours.
- >
- ... deleted lines I agree with re nude pictures
- >
- >JPEG is equally
- >useless, since it is lossy and therefore will be impossible to
- >distinguish lossy compression artifacts from rendering artifacts.
-
- Initially I agreed with this and then thought: Wait a moment - the
- regular printing process ALSO introduces artifacts - the screens
- used for quantizing the original artwork. If only methods of
- reproduction that do not introduce artifacts were allowed for
- art objects, it would be impossible to produce a catalogue for an art
- exhibition with any pictures.
-
- I assume that the electronic form of the SIGGRAPH material is there
- for a number of purposes - education, entertainment, technical
- evaluation - not for any of these exclusively. The question must
- therefore be whether the encoded form of the pictures meets these
- purposes. For my money, if JPEG at 2 bits per pixel gives an output
- that is indistiguishable by expert photographers from the original,
- that seems to meet the aim, even though it is 'lossy'.
-
- Just my opinion.
-
- Chris Osland
- Atlas Video Facility
- Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, UK
-