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- From: william@cithara.login.qc.ca (William Ross)
- Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
- Subject: Re: Offline Readers
- Message-ID: <k255wB1w165w@cithara.login.qc.ca>
- Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 22:04:07 EST
- References: <mVB6wB1w164w@nzkites.UUCP>
- Organization: Organ Grinders Monkeys Union With Penguins As Mascots
- Lines: 82
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- foster@nzkites.UUCP (Foster Schucker) writes:
- > russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) writes:
- > > frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca writes:
- > > > It took me about an entire evening to configure Waffle. Then another
- > > > couple days to get everything working perfectly (cron, phone answering,
- > > > polling, etc.). About a week to get things *real* nice -- external
- > > > commands, ANSI screens, etc.
- > >
- > > is it just me, or are these features you're unlikely to be worried about
- > > in an offline reader? (no matter what you call it)
- >
- > I'm suprised that it took 'another couple days' to get it working
- > perfectly. When I set waffle up the first time it took about an hour.
- > Setting up the news feed took a few messages back and forth to John
- > (the feed sysadmin). So to set it up as a news reader should take the
- > average person about six hours tops.
- >
- > > > CIM, on the other hand, took me a total of 15 *minutes* to configure.
- > >
- > > [if you pay me compuserve's rates, I'll write you a similar application
- > > that dials your nearest pay-per-minute place.] this is about the only
- >
- > I use TAPCIS to call CI$. It took about as long to set it up as it did
- > to get Waffle to work. There is a number of addons to TAPCIS to make it
- > as useful as Waffle. And they also take time to install and configure.
- >
- >
- > > > Yes, Waffle is powerful. But not everybody wants to run their own
- > > > site.
-
- I tried to get one of my three users to set up waffle as a leaf site,
- knowing his other alternative was a 160,00$ a year PCboard with a qwkmail
- door that worked. He got part-way through the intro.doc and ran away frothing
- at the mouth: "...I don't have a clue about usenet, uucp.. it's a foreign
- language! Ferget it!"
-
- Oh well, it's his money.
-
- The net stumbling block to the NET is not waffle or its text.file mode of
- installation, nor whether a qwk packet will ever marry USENET news; It's
- that catch-all word INTERNET, and its glamourous and even criminal
- associations with hacking, magnificant data transfer speeds and the like.
-
- > From my point of view -- If you want a simple, the brain dead can install,
- > easy to use system to give you access to the "net" then you use Waffle.
-
- Brain dead; that's me! A self-taught, hacker (qualifications welcome).
-
- The only brain-dead instruction that should go into future releases
- (imho) is a wrap-around text.file explaining the necessity of pkzips -D
- extraction option.
-
- > If you want a complicated, custom, multi-bell and whistle system that
- > will allow you to have multiple users dialed in with full net access then
- > you use Waffle.
-
- > The only difference is the amount of time that you spend in the configure
- > time.
- >
- > :-) :-) :-) IMHO I'd rather have someone on the net that has spend some
- > time working on what they are using. It cuts down on the BIFFS of the
- > world. :-) :-) :-)
- >
- > And since I'm on a roll, 99% of the questions that I've seen in c.b.w
- > about Waffle have been answered with a variation of RTFM. Maybe one
- > of the native english writers out there could write the ultimate Waffle
- > document: "Everything you MUST know about Waffle for those people who
- > refuse to read the documents."
-
- Why not develop an interactive user script for each of users who won't read
- thee docs to learn how to download the messages they want to read and
- reply to. Maybe there's more potential in the wolverine terminal option.
- How about passing wolverine a few variable paramaters? Maybe in a future
- release?... ;-)
-
- > Thanks for your time
-
-
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- William Ross
- cithara Specalists in asbestos underwear
- since 1992 william@cithara.login.qc.ca
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