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- From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
- Newsgroups: co.general
- Subject: Emissions, RTD (was Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really better than old?)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan5.151717.20722@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
- Date: 5 Jan 93 15:17:17 GMT
- References: <thomasd.57.726189717@tps.COM> <1993Jan5.015022.8647@colorado.edu>
- Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
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- In <1993Jan5.015022.8647@colorado.edu> bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:
- >My '87 MR-2 failed emissions (but only by 1.5x allowed HC, as I recall).
- >I drove it to a mechanic I trust (from Boulder to south Denver) and they
- >said it passed emissions with plenty of room to spare.
-
- I know the little stand I usually get our testing done at has a sign saying
- "make sure you've driven your car at least 15 minutes". I'd say half an
- hour is better yet, from experience :-)
-
- Of course, this means that the whole emissions testing process may be
- flawed: If cars pollute most in the first 15 min., and if most trips are
- short (which stands to reason), then even a "clean" car may actually be
- a failing car "most" of the time. Hmmmmmm.
-
- >The Moral of the Story: trying to minimize the use of your car may
- >actually cause it to fail emissions!
-
- I'd suggest it's not cummulative, i.e., I don't think the pollution just
- sits in the engine, building up. I tend to think it's more that all
- cars are dirtier at first than after 15+ min.
-
-
- >[A tax + tax credit] Done properly, this could...
- >... encourage use of alternate transportation
- >(since they would get the tax credit based on income and need, not simply
- >use of an automobile) and make the clunkers that are on the road much safer
- >and less poluting.
-
- Well, unless you pay them to get tune-ups, I doubt it'll do much for
- the clunker's themselves.
-
- My real gripe is with the *lack* of alternate transportation. RTD is so
- pathetic. I'm not sure how they devise their routes, but I don't think it's
- based on any reality, like where people want to go. Most people do NOT
- go downtown. Sure, a lot of people DO, and the existing setup is great
- for them (unless you want to work late). I had a consulting job downtown
- about five years ago, and taking the bus was fairly good; near my house
- passed three routes that went downtown, and they let off not far from the
- site. Worked great, and I never planned to stay down there past 8pm or
- so -- when the routes quit running out to my house :-(
-
- But mostly I work at home, and my main travel destination is out to DU --
- this is diagonal to downtown; driving it, I take 6th ave. to I-25 to
- University, fairly direct route. By bus, it would be: Go downtown...
-
- Now, I am not going to spend an hour and a half to two hours getting where
- I can drive in 25 minutes. Oh, and I frequently leave DU about 9pm, when,
- guess what, the routes don't go out by my house again.
-
- My proposal is for RTD to abandon the "downtown hub" idea and create many
- "mini-hubs", say, at shopping malls & large office parks. Each hub
- would have express busses to each other hub. In the areas between hubs
- would be circulators that go to/from the hub, mostly north-south or
- east-west as now, and shuttles going around small neighborhoods (like the
- 16th st. mall shuttle, which is about the only time I use RTD these
- days!), but with a balance of routes: residential areas must be served,
- but the routes should also go by common local destinations, like local
- shopping.
-
- Granted, this would take more busses than we have now, but I'm sure smaller
- busses or even vans would be fine for the smaller routes.
-
- Further, ideally, each stop should be visited no more than every 10 minutes.
- This every half-hour thing is ridiculous.
-
- So, go tax gasoline, but first make RTD draw up a plan for a workable
- 'alternative transportation' scheme. Currently they have no clue.
- --
-
- Andrew Burt aburt@du.edu
-
- "But if he was dying he wouldn't bother to carve "Aaaaargh", he'd just say it."
-