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- From: ghm@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller)
- Subject: Re: Political Science Fiction
- Message-ID: <1993Jan11.022943.12085@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>
- Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
- References: <dyfl.726473285@phobos> <1ilu97INNjvp@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:29:43 GMT
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- comrade@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Peter Cooper) writes:
-
- >dyfl@kbs.citri.edu.au (Daniel Lam) writes:
-
- >>I once heard a talk where the speaker said that science fiction can
- >>be roughly classified politically as either libertarian (e.g. Robert
- >>Heinlein, Vernor Vinge) or socialist (e.g. H.G. Wells).
-
- >Strange, I've never really associated HG Wells with socialism in his SF
- >- it's been a while since I read _Tono_Bungay_ (sp?) which seemed to
- >advocate a corporatist future (ala some cyberpunk, but set amongst the
- >green hills of England :-)
-
- There is a classification problem. It's too simplistic to say
- that any story set (no matter how nearly or remotely) in the future
- is SF (Science Fiction), although if you take those initials to stand
- for Speculative Fiction then the classification does hold. Both
- interpretations of SF can also be set in the present-day, of course.
- Like Peter, it's a long time since I read any of Wells' SF, but as I
- recall it didn't seem overly politicised, at least compared to some
- of his other writing. However, that is probably true of his fiction
- generally - "History of Mr Polly", for instance.
-
- >For what appears on the surface to be a very socialist-leaning SF, Iain
- >M. Banks' -Culture- series of space-opera is a good example. IMHO,
- >anything that annoys hell out of the libertarians should be compulsory
- >reading.
-
- Well, it certainly annoyed me:-)
-
- > An American author of 'light' fiction, Lois McMaster Bujold
- >consistently shows her more advanced societies as being predominantly
- >socialist-leaning, although her background makes it difficult for her to
- >be *too* radical ;-)
-
- Another "political" SF novel is Ursula K. Le Guin's "The Dispossessed".
- I found it depressing, although like almost everything she has done
- it's excellently written.
-
- >But seriously, most thoughtful fiction that deals with societies tends
- >to make some sort of political stand, doesn't it? I mean, it is very
- >difficult to advocate the -status-quo- when you are identifying problems
- >with it ... and it's one of the things that a good subset of sf (and
- >much other fiction) *are* concerned about....
-
- It is probably true that authors with one sort of view of the world
- look outward, at the world/universe as it might be - perhaps a
- libertarian view encourages a greater interest in diversity? Other
- views of the world lead to a greater concentration on the world as
- it might be - the "meaningful" and "politically correct" novel
- which achieves great critical acclaim and no sales. My suspicion
- is that authors like Heinlein, Niven, Pournelle, Pournelle, etc.
- find SF easier to write because of their philosophical bias, whereas
- writers with different underlying beliefs work in different areas.
- Thus, if you consider one literary genre you don't have a random
- sample of authors' beliefs.
-
- >>What do the SF fans have to say about this? Can you offer a more
- >>elaborate classification? What do you think the impact of science
- >>fiction has been on political debate?
-
- >Haha. Most fans wear pocket-protectors and coke-bottle-glasses, and
- >have little to do with public policy ;-) How can a ghettoised genre of
- >fiction make a big impact? Look at massmarket SF - Star Wars (advocating
- >liberty in a traditional, aristocrat-dominated state) and its kin, most
- >of which seem to be myths and fairytales wrapped up in special effects,
- >which don't seem to advocate very much at all.
-
- Yes, to some extent (although the only glasses I wear are safety ones)
- but if you talk about "Speculative" instead of "Science" fiction it
- isn't so constrained (or "ghettoised", if you must). However, has
- _any_ fiction had much impact on political debate? Certainly there
- are well-known works which were written as political or social satire,
- but did even these really have much lasting impact?
-
- Geoff Miller (g-miller@adfa.oz.au)
- Computer Centre, Australian Defence Force Academy
-