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- From: kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l)
- Subject: Re: Lifestyle Choices and Secular Reasoning
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- References: <C095nK.82y@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan3.041323.16808@netcom.com> <C0B0Cu.Eu7@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan4.031518.8457@netcom.com>
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- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:31:25 GMT
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- teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger) writes:
-
- >In article <C0B0Cu.Eu7@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes:
- >>harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
- >>
- >>>"SLK>" is "kellmeyer steven l"
- >>>"LCF>" is "Lawrence C. Foard"
- >>
- >>>SLK>Why is *secular* reasoning superior to religious reasoning?
- >>
- >>>LCF>I'm sitting 10 feet from a machine that can produce 3d images of your
- >>>LCF>internal organs, it was designed by secular reasoning.
- >>
- >>>SLK>And it was designed in a country founded upon a belief in God. The
- >>>SLK>country founded upon atheism and a belief in man no longer exists.
- >>
- >>>REALLY? Since when?
- >>
- >>>The USA was founded mainly by atheists, and laws were put in its
- >>>charters to keep it that way. Since then, we've moved farther away
- >>>from religious influence, not closer. Take a look at the number of
- >>>judgements in the last few decades restricting things like prayer in
- >>>schools, etc.
- >>
- >>Greg, I have no idea where they attempted to teach you history, but
- >>I don't think those NoDoze worked. Not by *ANY* stretch of overblown
- >>historical imagination were the founders of our country atheists.
- >>That's simply wrong. The judgments given in the last few decades prove
- >>not one thing about the founding fathers of this country - who would
- >>undoubtedly be appalled at the incredible way their ideals were twisted.
- >>
-
- >Excuse me, but to my recallection Thomas Jefferson was an ATHEIST.
-
- Excuse me, but your recallection (sic) is wrong. He was a Deist.
- The only person I can think of off-hand that might begin to be called
- an atheist was Voltaire. Even Rousseau held that there was a Supreme
- Being. YOu are being anachronistic by asserting that there was
- a school of thought that could be referred to as "atheism", as we know it,
- in the eighteenth century. The question revolved around what God's
- nature _was_, and to what degree God acted in every day life. No one
- really began asserting that there was, in fact, no God at all
- until Nietszche, although you might make a good case for Darwin after
- 1860.
-
- >Ciao!
- > John S. :^)
- > teddybur@netcom.com
- >__
-
- Steve Kellmeyer
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- Steve Kellmeyer
- kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
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