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- From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
- Newsgroups: alt.peeves
- Subject: Offensive language (WAS Re: Orientals)
- Message-ID: <C0rs2I.FnJ@dcs.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 13 Jan 93 01:56:41 GMT
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- Quoting donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) in article <1993Jan12.145350.20247@igor.tamri.com>:
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- "Coloured people" was never exactly racist, more euphemistic. "People
- of colour" sounds incredibly euphemistic to me. Apparently it's
- supposed to include people who are "mixed-race" or Asian; around here
- the PC phrase is "Black people and people of colour". This seems to me
- silly; black people aren't really black anyway; all "black" really means
- is "sufficiently dark-skinned to incur the displeasure of racists."
-
- "the Irish in London are lucky --- no-one knows you're black until you
- open your mouth..."
-
- >Peeve: Growing up believing that expressions like that are inherently
- > racist, when in fact their replacements are merely a matter of
- > fashion? What difference does it make what you call someone (aside
- > from perjoratives like nigger), so long as you treat them with the
- > respect that they personally deserve (or don't deserve)?
-
- But "nigger" is just a contraction of "negro". It isn't *inherently*
- perjorative any more than "homo" is. It's offensive because you'd only
- use it if you were trying to offend.
-
- This is my beef about "offensive language". There's a ban in one of
- our local newsgroups on "offensive language" (actually "offencefull
- language" --- that's MY idea of offensive language). We're told this
- means means "language that might offend someone".
-
- This is bullshit. There are people who get offended by "history" and
- "hysterical". What they really mean is "don't say `fuck'", but of
- course they can't say that. This position, too, is bullshit---what in
- God's name does not saying "fuck" achieve? Do they think there are
- people who are ignorant of the word, and why do they want to keep them
- in the dark? Given that every soul in the Edinburgh CS department, not
- to say practically every English-speaking soul on Earth, already know
- the word exists, why is it bad to remind them of the fact? Unlike a
- genuinely offensive word like "nigger", it's supposed to be offensive
- even to *refer* to the word "fuck", the way this posting does. And
- it's triply nonsense, because no-one who reads cs.undergrad is
- *actually* offended by "fuck" at all; they're just worried that
- *someone else might be*.
-
- We're not supposed to say "fuck" here either, but that's even further
- off the wall than the rules about local newsgroups.
-
- Oh, I forgot to mention---that was a peeve, by the way.
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