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- From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
- Newsgroups: alt.messianic
- Subject: Almah - Betulah
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- Date: 11 Jan 93 16:13:03 GMT
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- To: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu
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- JL> Date: 10 Jan 93 00:40:51 GMT
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- JL>
- JL> In article <141804.2B4DD28B@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>
- JL> Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson) writes:
-
- >>As can plainly be seen, the Soncino Is. says EXACTLY what we've been
- >>saying all along: that almah can bear the meaning of virgin,
- >>(contrary >to what one will hear on this net)!
-
- JL> Actually, Bill, this position of yours is very close to what I
- JL> have been saying all along, although perhaps you do not have me in
- JL> mind as a disputant.
-
- No, it was someone else I was alluding to. However, the problem
- is not that 'almah' can be used in a generic sense of 'young-
- maiden' [ALONG with the idea that a 'young girl of marriagable age
- who by common-sense is also a virgin in the most common
- understanding of that class & age-group - (that idea was even
- present in the English language with the word "maiden" until the
- last few decades); the PROBLEM arises when certain folks on here
- INSIST that the word ALMAH can NOT mean VIRGIN; and that only
- betulah can. I believe that Isaiah specificly chose almah to
- indicate a 'young-maiden' AND a virgin - and was speaking in a
- prophetic sense of a sign to come to the entire house of Israel.
- Since while betulah means virgin, it also can indicate an OLD-
- VIRGIN, and Miryam was a young-maiden/virgin, - hence the sign
- was more defined and evident when it occured, since almah cannot
- indicate an OLD-virgin/old-maid.
-
- But that is still a side issue. The real issue is that over
- and over again, even though we show linguistic evidence, Rabbinic
- quotations, Judaic statements in commentaries showing that Almah
- CAN INDEED bear the meaning of VIRGIN, as does the word betulah -
- it is COMPLETELY ignored! And instead, slander is leveled, and
- accusations against MJ's that we are stupid or ignorant, or both!
-
- I will agree that some folks are appearing "stupid" in this
- argument though! :-)
-
- ... 012 Am Israel Chai! 210
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