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- From: ljmorly@polaris.utu.fi (Laura Johanna Manninen)
- Subject: Re: Almah in Isa 7: 14
- In-Reply-To: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us's message of 7 Jan 1993 07:05:46 UTC
- Message-ID: <LJMORLY.93Jan7201038@polaris.utu.fi>
- Sender: news@polaris.utu.fi (Usenet News admin)
- Organization: University of Turku
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- <LJMORLY.93Jan6195742@polaris.utu.fi> <fXDHi6C@quack.sac.ca.us>
- Date: 7 Jan 93 20:10:38
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- In article <fXDHi6C@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
- > In article <LJMORLY.93Jan6195742@polaris.utu.fi>
- > ljmorly@polaris.utu.fi (Laura Johanna Manninen) writes:
- > >"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government
- > >will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Councellor,
- > >Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." - Yeshaya 9:5 (9:6)
-
- > By the way, on the off chance that you're interested in the original
- > word, here is a faithful translation of the Masorah and Qumran texts:
-
- > JPS Tanakh, ISBN: 0-8276-0252-9:
- > Isaiah9:5
- > For a child has been born to us,
- > A son has been given us.
- > And authority has settled on his shoulders.
- > He has been named
- > "The Mighty God is planning grace;(d)
- > The Eternal Father, a peacable ruler" -
-
- The beginning is more or less correct, but from 'He has been named'
- onwards...
-
- 'Vayikra shmo Pele Yoetz El Gibbor Avi Ad Sar Shalom'
-
- vayikra shmo = and he will be called
- pele = miracle, wonderfull
- yoetz = councellor
- El = God
- gibbor = hero (as an adjective 'mighty')
- avi = my father
- ad = to everlasting
- sar = prince, ruler, minister
- shalom = peace
-
- 'And he will be called Wonderfull (,) Councellor, Mighty God, Everlasting
- Father, Prince of Peace.'
-
- > ----
- > d: As in 25.1
-
- > It seems that Christianity is full of propaganda which doesn't
- > necessarily nullify the religion, but it seems one should wonder why such
- > zealous marketing techniques are required to sell what is supposed to be
- > the truth. If one seeks the truth, one should do so truthfully,
- > otherwise one only fools oneself. If one seeks propaganda, there are
- > always those who will sell it.
-
- You are wrong... As I showed you, my translations are correct, yours
- aren't, so why not think for a while whose "religion" has to use
- some special techniques.
-
- Best regards,
- Laura
- --
- "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government
- will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Councellor,
- Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." - Yeshaya 9:5 (9:6)
-
- "To the Jews who had believed him, Yeshua said, "If you hold to my
- teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth,
- and the truth will set you free."" - Yochanan 8:32-33
-