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- From: parker@ehsn21.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker)
- Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
- References: <C00Az1.464@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <29DEC92.16524788@vax.clarku.edu> <C01u1B.7H9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan2.204902.8667@rotag.mi.org> <C0F9wF.1G7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:55:35 GMT
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- vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
-
- >kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
-
- >>In article <C01u1B.7H9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
- >>>hsims@vax.clarku.edu writes:
- >>>
- >>>>In a previous article, vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu wrote:
-
- >>>>Really, those poor, homeless, and hungry children should just take
- >>>>responsibility for their lives and find a job. Funding programs such as
- >>>>WIC will just encourage infants and children to be lazy bums.
- >>>
- >>>Those poor, homeless and hungry children should have had parents responsible
- >>>enough to realize they couldn't afford to feed children. If they could
- >>>have controlled their hormones there wouldn't be a problem.
-
- >>It is far more realistic to subsidize abortion, maybe even to incentivize it,
- >>than to rely on people "controlling their hormones", and it achieves the same
- >>economic result, i.e. reduction of the birth rate among poor people.
-
- >Ahh.. I see. You don't think poor people are capable of making intelligent
- >decisions by themselves. You want to make sure you hold their hand since
- >you are so superior.
-
- This from the guy who wants to limit the choices they have available, about
- the guy who would provide the choice and let them choose for themselves.
- How hipocritical.
-
- >Your statement that the desired result is the "reduction of the birth rate
- >among poor people" is insulting and narrow-minded. The desired result
- >is protect the children, born and unborn.
-
- I'd settle for protecting those who are born.
-
- >>>You tell me which
- >>>is the worse crime, society refusing to pay deadbeats or deadbeats knowingly
- >>>bringing children into the world whom they cannot feed.
-
- >>In my opinion...
-
- >>The WORST "crime" is to let children starve.
-
- >Is murder a lesser crime than neglect?
-
- It is better to allow a given unborn to not be born than to allow a child to
- be born and suffer. You don't have the right to be created.
-
- >>The second-worst "crime" is to interfere with a woman's decision to abort,
- >>either by mandating or forbidding abortion.
-
- >Is murder a lesser crime than this?
-
- The mother is in the best position to make that decision. How can the rest
- of society know her situation.
-
- >>The third-worst "crime" is for government to start interfering in sexual
- >>relations between consenting adults by telling them to "control their
- >>hormones" or whatever.
-
- >Is murder a lesser crime than this?
-
- (Of course this is all *his opinion*. He may feel that murder is a lesser
- crime. I think however that "murder" has nothing to do with abortion; the
- unborn is not a person.)
-
- >>Fourth on my list of "crimes" is for taxpayers to end up supporting children
- >>of poor people who are otherwise unable to support them adequately themselves.
- >>Look at our GNP sometime -- we can easily provide this support.
-
- >Well then.. since you seem to think murder is okay to end economic problems,
- >why don't you just run out and kill all the homeless, welfare families,
- >unemployed, and elderly.
-
- >[snip]
-
- >>>Abortion is murder. It's not a question of just the mother's life, but also
- >>>the baby's. The laws of this country already state that murder is wrong so
- >>>in fact the state already has control over this issue.
-
- >>Has any state ever successfully prosecuted any woman for "murder", because
- >>she aborted, even BEFORE _Roe v. Wade_? If not, what's your basis for citing
- >>"the laws of this country" in support of your contention that "abortion is
- >>murder"?
-
- >Of course not.. The women involved are not the murderers. The abortionists
- >are the murderers. I have written on this extensively in this group
- >and I'm not going to repeat myself just because you can't keep up.
-
- Good, then we won't have to read through your unsupported contention that
- "abortion is murder" after we have repeatedly demonstrated to the contrary.
-
- >> - Kevin
-
- >Edward Simmonds
-
- -Rob
-