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- From: mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz)
- Subject: Re: Bush's Pardons
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- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:22:26 GMT
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- Nathan Engle (nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu) wrote:
- : dodsonsl@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
- : >So what do you conservative types think of the Bush pardons?
- :
- : Well, I'm a liberal type, but I honestly think it was for the best. It
-
- One of the few intellectuals around, IMO :)
-
- : bugs me that laws were broken and lies told and all that rot, but I don't
- : see that it really serves anyone's interests for us to go on reliving the
- : past.
-
- I'm sure that this is how most of us feel.
-
- : The people who were ultimately responsible for the Iran-Contra fiasco
- : were the leaders and they're on the way out.
-
- There are laws against doing drugs, but people do them anyway. There are
- laws against sodomy, but it is done anyway. There's even a law in Chicago
- against flying a kite in city limits, but people fly them anyway. But heaven
- forbid that Al Capone fly a kite because the govt. was watching for the
- minutest breaking of any law to put him away on.
-
- The crimes these guys were getting busted for had NOTHING to do with
- Iran-Contra, and they're quite petty. We have a man who has unlimited time
- and funding and all the resources of the government who has picked Reagan
- out as his "Capone" (target). He won't stop until he bags Reagan for jay
- walking.
-
- It _should_ be obvious to everyone what is and has been happening.
- Just look at the harassment of Weinberger. Charges brought that don't
- stick. Bringing the charges alone cost Weinberger $250K per month to
- fund his defense. Charges brought out the weekend before the election
- dropped by the first judge who heard the complaint. Weinberger was asked
- if he took notes about meetings he attended, and he offered as little
- evidence against himself as he had to. He kept a diary, but no notes as
- such specifically about the meetings. To me, this is clearly a case of
- terrible work by the prosecutor, not something to send Weinberger to prison
- for.
-
- The October Surmise panel's failure to dig up any dirt on a similar claim
- of improper (and, IMO much worse) actions by these same people lends more
- believability that these guys were doing their jobs as they saw it best.
-
-
- : I wouldn't really get that
- : much satisfaction from tormenting their underlings, and I don't mind
- : watching them walk away at this point.
-
- Please consider that if Reagan himself were charged with purgery with such
- flimsy evidence, even he would incur great costs to defend himself. This
- has gone on for 5 years, and has hurt many people's underlings...
-
- : We (liberals) have an opportunity
- : to bury at least one of our hatchets and I think that we should jump at it.
- : We have nothing to lose by being magnanimous and we might have a great deal
- : to gain.
- :
-
- This is very much in clintonspeak. :)
-
- : > Over on
- : >your second favorite newsgroup, alt.fan.dan.quayle, they're pretty
- : >upset about it. I don't think anyone is really surprised Bush did it,
- : >though.
- :
- : *I* was surprised. After all the insistence that those guys weren't
- : guilty of anything it came as a surprise to me that Bush thought they
- : needed pardons. I would have thought that it would have reflected better
- : on Bush if they had faced charges and been vindicated, but maybe there was
- : some substance there after all.
- :
-
- Some of us believe that what Bush did was incredibly brave and totally contrary
- to his wimp image... The way your liberal press paints the picture, Bush has
- forced the entire focus of the investigator onto himself. An incredibly
- heroic gesture, and one of great compassion. The man would DIE for his friends.
- And consider that dirt diggers have been checking every phone call, visa ticket,
- hotel bill, etc., on Bush and his children for the last 12 years... I doubt
- clinton and his family will get equal treatment :)
-
- But from what you write, you obviously either believe the men to be guilty
- before they've been proven guilty or you believe them to have been proven
- guilty (beyond a shadow of a doubt :). If Reagan is guilty, charge him
- with a crime, or leave him alone. Same is true for all the rest. Quit trying
- to stick bullshit petty crimes on these guys. If lying to congress is all
- they're guilty of, this whole investigation was a waste of time.
-
- : > I guess things will be pretty boring scandal-wise now that the
- : >party of the 'moral right' won't be in charge anymore.
- :
- : Don't count on it. Remember Billy Carter?
-
- We can hope they take the muzzle off hillary.
-
- :
- : --
- : Nathan Engle Software Juggler
- : Psychology Department Indiana University
- : nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
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