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- From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
- Subject: [aus.aarnet] Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
- Message-ID: <1993Jan13.044136.26082@eff.org>
- Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,aus.aarnet
- Originator: kadie@eff.org
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- Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
- Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:41:36 GMT
- Lines: 84
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- [A repost - Carl]
-
- From: kjm@buc.edu.au (Kevin Moore)
- Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
- Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
- Date: 13 Jan 1993 04:07:16 GMT
- Message-ID: <kjm.102.0@buc.edu.au>
-
- In article <1993Jan12.230320.25866@latcs1.lat.oz.au> baragry@amdahl1.lat.oz.au (Jason Baragry) writes:
-
- > A couple of years ago, I remember one of our system admins telling
- me
- >why there wasn't an X-rated gifs on ftp-able locations anymore.
-
- > The story was that it used to be very simple to download these picts
- >from numerous ftp sites and it was quite common. Anyway, 60 minutes (USA) got
- >ahold of this and beat it up saying that any 14 year old kid could dial up
- >a BBS and ftp to his hearts content (assuming he knew what it was he was looking
- >for). Supposedly, this led to a ban of some sort on x-rated gifs on ftp sites.
-
- > Is this true???
-
- Yes and no. It's usually load, pure and simple. When ACSnet was first
- superseded by AARNet, several sites had such things, and word got around.
- The sites collapsed under the load of ftp requests. They got rid of the GIFs
- pronto. The 60 minutes thing put some political pressure on some sites in
- the US, but load is the usual problem.
-
- Besides, there are plenty of privately operated porno GIF BBSes for the 14
- year old kids to get their stuff from.
-
- > Also, last year Peter Deutsch (sp?) came out here and gave a talk about
- >Archie at NetWorkshop. After that he gave a similar talk where I was working
- >and at the end of it he put a list of stats on Archie - the most popular
- >requests. It was something like this:
-
- >GIF 100 thousands,
- >*.gif ditto.
- >sex 10 thousands
- >SEX ditto.
- >girl.gif thousands
- >(big gap)
- >*.zip hundreds
-
- That is really the point. The networks cope pretty well with traffic for
- useful items, like games and other work-related programs. Porn is a couple
- of orders of magnitude more popular, and the network would have to be
- upgraded to cope with it.
-
- >I would imagine that AARNet could not be to different to the rest of the
- >Internet. There seems to be a fair demand for the stuff that some people want
- >to ban.
-
- Indeed, but AARNet has limited resources, and overworked staff, who can't
- afford to have the system getting clogged up by porn hounds looking for the
- latest GIF of <insert favourite porno star here> attempting sex with a
- <insert favourite sex toy here>.
-
- >Personally I don't subscribe to those groups but I wouldn't stop others from
- >doing so...
-
- Again, load is the problem. In the bad old days before ftp (remember
- fetchfile?) binaries newsgroups were a means of disseminating programs. They
- were UUencoded, which roughly doubled their size. They had to be split into
- smaller segments because some newsreaders have memory limits. A typical
- file of roughly 20k would translate into about five 1000 line news articles.
-
- System administrators do not like binaries groups for this reason. Hundreds
- of news items of this size a day fill disks real fast. The figures for
- traffic on alt.binaries.erotica.* are phenomenal. System administrators on
- news servers are likely to take the view that leaving them out of their
- service allows them to keep old articles in other newsgroups longer,
- providing a better service for those who use news for work related
- discussion, especially given that ftp allows access to most useful programs
- these days.
- ******************************************************************************
- Jesus loves me, this I know, *
- Torquemada tells me so * Kevin Moore
- And if I should disagree * kjm@buc.edu.au
- He gets his rack and he stretches me Anon. *
- ******************************************************************************
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- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
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