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  4. From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser)
  5. Subject: Re: What is United States of America like?
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  10. References: <1992Dec23.170132.27482@kadsma.kodak.com> <1992Dec24.002140.1721@mtek.com> <1993Jan7.064823.5779@Princeton.EDU>
  11. Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:29:42 GMT
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  14. In article <1993Jan7.064823.5779@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
  15. >The exclusionary rule protects our *rights*, like the right of the
  16. >people to be secure in their persons, houses, and effects...
  17.  
  18. Oh? When did the exclusionary rule become a defense against IRS seizure
  19. of property for failure to pay protection monies? Against invasion of
  20. privacy by ever-encroaching government regulation?
  21.  
  22. >Yes, civil liberties are downright silly.
  23.  
  24. The fact is, the pin-head civil liberties that are debated most are the least
  25. relevant to life as ordinary people live it.
  26.  
  27. Civil libertarians have become fixated on such issues as the fourth amendment
  28. and the eighth amendment precisely because the important rights, the right
  29. to life, liberty and property, have already been surrendered to the state.
  30.  
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