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- From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
- Subject: Re: Your own words, of course != bigot
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- In article <1993Jan1.201122.9433@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan1.191535.10267@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
- >
- >[wrt homosexuality]
- >
- >> 1. No matter how you stack the deck, it's deviant.
- >
- > I say it isn't. You say it is. I say mind your own business.
-
-
- Look up the word, get back to me. Homosexuality is deviant,
- it fill all of the criteria.
-
-
- >> 2. Our culture seeks to cure those who are deviant from
- >> their behavior. The mentally ill, recluses,
- >> anti-socials, serial killers, child molesters,
- >> thieves.
- >
- > But only those who seek help or are a danger. Gays are not in either
- >category.
-
-
-
- Not true (to the first part). For the second, if homosexuality
- is learned, they are a danger to learners (children).
-
-
- >> 3. I can't think of a *single* moral stand, that--given
- >> the two assertions above are true--says people should
- >
- > But they're not.
-
-
- Yes, they are.
- If you are going to say "they're not" you'd better try to
- come up with more than an assertion. A 4 year old can say
- "no".
-
- >> just leave homosexuals alone. If you choose to
- >> argue the two assertions above, try the second one,
- >> becausethe first is unarguable.(see def. "deviant")
- >
- > Sure it is. It's an opinion, to which you're entitled.
-
-
- It is not an opinion. Shall I enlighten you?
-
- Deviant: deviating from the NORM
-
-
- >> Nevertheless, heterosexuality is clearly not deviant. Thus,
- >
- > As clearly that homosexuality *is*, I assume.
-
-
- That's right. By definition of deviant.
-
-
- >> it is not going to draw attention as needing to be cured. I
- >> suppose that if we needed an answer for this question that yes,
- >> heterosexuality could be cured. Probably pretty easily.
- >
- > Probably not. Just like being gay.
-
-
- Back it up.
-
-
- >> You would simply need to replace the sexual target with
- >> something else. Shoes, for instance. Or sheep. Or something
- >> else. Or, rechannel the sex drive--eating, sports, violence,
- >> excercise.
- >
- > This is another one of those "points too dumb to respond to". Just so
- >you know. I'm glad you post this type of thing, though...it explains a lot
- >about the way you think.
-
-
- At least I think. That's more than I can say for someone too dense
- to realize the definition of a simple word.
-
-
- >>> I may not agree, but your life is up to you as
- >>>long as it doesn't affect me negatively. Get it?
- >>
- >> Ahh, then--suppose that I believe it is my duty to the great and
- >> mighty two headed cow god to sacrifice a number of cuddly
- >> animals every day in front of my children--is it still my
- >> opinion, and am I still entitled to act on it?
- >
- > Yes, no. You are harming both the animals and children.
-
-
- It is my belief that they consent.
-
-
- >> SEXUALITY IS BEHAVIORAL. It doesn't matter one wit that it
- >> can be "expressed" or not. All aspects of sexuality are
- >> _behavioral_. In fact, the sex drive *itself* is behavioral--
- >> it is defined by behavioral properties and nothing else. It
- >> is not _biological_. The operation of the sex organs is "biological"--
- >> sexual orientation is _behavioral_.
- >>
- >> It shows very shallow thinking that you are unable to grasp this
- >> simple conclusion even after having it pointed out. Thins
- >> are either biological or behavioral. Sexuality is behavioral.
- >
- > Sounds like a semantic issue to me. I consider the behavioral aspect
- >to be what you do because of the drive. If you consider the drive itself
- >to be behavioral, then there is no argument except wrt terms.
-
-
- Then you don't understand the meaning of the word "behavioral". It's
- not a semantic issue, it's an ignorance one. Read up.
-
- --
- Blaming "society" for your problems is like blaming clouds for rain.
-
- --- boycott == censorship == closed mindedness == cowardice ---
- Pain teaches.
-