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- From: mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz)
- Subject: Re: Democrat == Loony Left??? (was Re: Christiani
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:17:46 GMT
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- Mike Best (best@anasazi.com) wrote:
- : In article <C00z4x.8Ln@unix.portal.com> mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz) writes:
- : >Jay Denebeim P025 (denebeim@brtph254.bnr.ca) wrote:
- : >: In article <1992Dec17.172656.27110@technology.com> judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes:
- : >: > Can any of you think of any moral or philosophical justification
- : >: > for using huge amounts of taxpayer money to fund the "space
- : >: > program" at all? Not counting, of course, it provides high-
- : >: > pay, high-tech jobs for a bunch of us.
- : >:
- : >: Yes I can. How about these for instance:
- : >:
- : >
- : >NOT quite as rosey as you make it out to be...
- :
- : [mike's anti-space program stuff deleted with the rest]
- :
- : Put it in a historical context:
- :
- : The Portugese were among the first explorers during the age of discovery
- : and yet they pulled back. What has subsequently happened to their potential?
- : Have they not been in decline since that time? Space is the next frontier
- : and if we (the US) do not actively compete in that arena we will likely be
- : left behind much like Portugal. Britain ruled the waves and their culture
- : was successful.
- :
-
- This is an utterly emotional argument that disregards the most obvious.
- Space is not any kind of frontier. It has been explored and what we know
- is that it is not inhabited by life, uninhabitable by humans without adding
- extraordinary cost to the proposition, and incredibly finite due to our
- technical inability to go very far. Exploration of space requires a huge
- amount of costly technology, while exploration of the new world was possible
- using existing technology - sailing ships, canoes, backpacks, sleeping bags,
- and rifles.
-
- That said, I repeat that unmanned space exploration makes a lot of sense,
- is much cheaper, gets a lot more bang to the buck, allows us to look at
- weather patterns, gather intelligence data, look out into space from beyond
- the atmosphere, build maps of entire planets, and so on.
-
- I also repeat that Star Trek is a fantasy. We have no ability to travel
- at 9x the speed of light, and all scientific evidence is that it is simply
- impossible.
-
- : Also, there will be poor always. I see no reason why we must subordinate our
- : need to achieve human excellence or our scientific curiousity to the plight
- : of the poor. First of all, utopianism is unrealistic (curing poverty) and,
- : secondly, we have a right (and a duty to our children) to make our society
- : succede.
- :
-
- This is incredibly pessimistic. Poor is a relative term, and the quality of
- life for the "poor" is clearly something we can and have been continuously
- are improving...
-
- : Mike Best
-