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- From: carroll@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
- Subject: Re: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground: Nature, 12/3/92
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.180958.10440@udel.edu>
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- References: <1go3r6INN8m7@copland.crhc.uiuc.edu> <1992Dec21.194249.2829@udel.edu> <13711@optilink.COM>
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:09:58 GMT
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- In article <13711@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec21.194249.2829@udel.edu>, carroll@nori.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll) writes:
- >> In article <13671@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
- >> >In article <1go3r6INN8m7@copland.crhc.uiuc.edu>, pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan) writes:
- ># ## #If it's so darned unimportant, then why keep repeating an obviously
- ># ## #erronous and politically motivated 10 percent?
- ># ##
- ># ## 1) It is not obviously erroneous, you're deliberately misunderstanding it so
- ># ## you can say it's wrong.
- ># ##
- ># ## 2) Because Clayton is dancing around the net twisting these statistics to
- ># ## erroneously prove that I am a child molestor.
- ># #
- ># #Liar. I have REPEATEDLY pointed out that most homosexuals are NOT
- ># #molesters, but the disproportionate involvement of homosexuals in
- ># #child molestation is reason, at least in some jobs, for discrimination.
- ># #I have NEVER claimed that Paul Ryan is a child molester.
- >#
- ># You're the liar Clayton.
- >#
- ># Mr. Ryan has never, to my knowledge, attempted to cause hatred or
- ># bigotry towards any group of people. You, however, have repeatedly
- ># tried to incite hatred towards and discrimination against homosexuals
- ># on the basis of deliberate falsehoods, distortions, and
- ># misrepresentations.
- >
- >Look, you can't show any example of me claiming that Mr. Ryan is
- >a child molester, because I've never said that. So you find it
- >necessary to lie. I'm not surprised.
-
- Please read the text you are responding to.
-
- I did not say that you claimed Mr. Ryan was a child molester. I did
- say that you deliberately use falsehoods, distortions, and
- misrepresentations to incite hatred and discrimination against
- homosexuals.
-
-
-
- ># For an example, we need look only as far as the next line of your post:
- >#
- ># #I will claim that Paul Ryan is a liar, but that just seems to be part
- ># #and parcel of being a homoseuxal.
- >#
- ># The actions of any individual do not allow you to make any conclusion
- ># about the group, and you know that quite well. But you continue to
- ># make libelous accusations against homosexuals on the basis of single
- ># point examples. That's using a deliberate falsehood to incite hatred
- ># and discrimination.
- >
- >Homosexuals have repeatedly demonstrated that they are dishonest,
- >lying, untrustworthy people on USENET. They tell lies repeatedly
- >about what I have said. Clear enough?
-
- No. Homosexuals individuals MAY HAVE demonstrated that they, AS
- INDIVIDUALS, are dishonest. That does *not* allow you to extrapolate
- out and form a judgement against the entire population of usenet.
-
- Realistically, how many people take the time to respond to your
- nonsense? A dozen? Perhaps 2 dozen people at the outside. And how many
- of those 1-2 dozen people are homosexuals? And how many of them have
- you caught lying? (I've never seen you catch any of them lying. I've
- often seen you accuse them of lying, but you've never bothered to
- support that claim.) Suppose that *every* person who argues with you
- is a homosexual, and every single one is a liar. That's only 2 dozen
- people. Out of how many thousands of homosexuals with net access, you
- can point out AT MOST 2 dozen people who you claim are liars. How does
- that justify your judging an entire group as liars?
-
- You're a scum, Clayton. You're exactly the same kind of swine who
- helped them kill my family in Germany. You're a lying bastard who
- has nothing better to do with his life then convince people to hate
- others, on the basis of your lies.
-
- <MC>
-
- (And if you try your good old "I don't respond to ad-hominem attacks", then
- I'd recommend you go back and read your own posts, which rely very strongly
- on ad-hominem attacks when you can't think of anything better to say.)
- --
- || Mark Craig Carroll: <MC> || "Humanity isn't a physical description,
- || Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS|| it's a spiritual goal. It's not something
- || Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker || you're given, it's something you earn."
- || carroll@udel.edu || - _One_, by Richard Bach
-