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- From: marwang@caip.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh)
- Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
- Subject: Re: Deportation vs. Murder
- Message-ID: <Jan.3.14.13.22.1993.5440@caip.rutgers.edu>
- Date: 3 Jan 93 19:13:22 GMT
- References: <1gvbffINNo7s@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1992Dec19.220643.0112571@locus.com> <1992Dec24.033652.18089@nysernet.org> <Jan.3.00.21.21.1993.7573@bach.rutgers.edu> <1993Jan3.121214.6548@rdg.dec.com>
- Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
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- kremer@taveng.enet.dec.com (Itzhak Kremer) writes:
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-
- >This newsgroup has got to be one of the greatest collections of garbage
- >on the net.
-
- True ... I smelled the scent when the title of your article came up on
- my screen.
-
- >1) Gharaybeh is proud that he can refute the great "black lie" that the
- > Jews "WERE NOT THE FIRST TO BE IN PALESTINE". But who ever claimed
- > that absurdity?
- >
- > Gharaybeh, there is a book called "the Bible". Most Jews and
- > Christians have heard of it. Whether you believe in it or not, the
- > Bible is the most authoritative book on what the Jews' claim is their
- > right to the Land of Israel.
-
- Not true ... The Zionist claim in Palestine have always been "Historical".
- If you are saying that this "Historical" claim is SOLELY originated from
- your bible then the zionist "Historical" claim in Palestine is very week.
- Are we supposed to believe that the Jewish people are the best people on
- earth ?!!!
-
- Allowing those 1-meter-beard-long people to teach us about the history
- is not understandable nor credible. History is history, and the way
- something enters in the history (believe it or not) is by wars, blood
- and killings. The religious books do not stand as a credible document
- in this context.
-
- Does you bible preaches its followers to:
-
- 1) Hunt down 10 year olds in the streets with machine guns.
-
- 2) Continuous oppressing the other people living along side the jews
- with fire and iron.
-
- 3) allowing only people whose mother (not father or one's self) is
- Jewish to illegally immigrate to Palestine and deport the
- righteous owners.
-
- And by the way please post from your bible the International borders
- of EREST YETSRAEL as promised by your bible, so that every one can see
- and judge for themselves.
-
- Taking the bible to be the only source by which the "legality" of the
- foundation of the illegal state of Israel is deducted is not only
- very week but it is also untrue ... I am sure that most of the zionists
- on this net do not agree with you. The zionist claim in Palestine had
- always been historical and if you look into several of those heroic
- documentaries about the creation of this illegal state you would
- know beyond any doubt that you do not know what you are talking about.
-
- > Before you put your foot in your mouth
- > again, try reading the Bible and you'll get a very clear picture of
- > what we claim is our 'historical right'. You just refuted a lie which
- > you invented. BRAVO!
- >
-
- Put your foot in your whatever ... You do not know what you are talking
- about. Please re-read the history about the creation of the illegal
- state of Israel and you would know that it does not only stem from
- your bible.
-
- >2) Yes, you're right "In those 3000 years a lot has changed" but if
- > Palestinians can claim (proudly?) a linkage to those primitive,
- > child-sacrificing pagan nations (Philistines, Caananites, etc.) which
- > even the Koran detests and which even you agree pre-date the Hebrews,
- > then why do you see it as incomprehensible that we claim descendance
- > from the original Hebrews?
- >
- Again you demonstrate public stupidity ... 3000 years ago Islam was not
- even born yet.
-
- >3) I'd like to know what Jewish source you've got that claims we are a
- > "race". I've heard Jews claim that we are a nation, culture, ethnic
- > group and even religion but only the anti-semites call us a "race".
-
- Arabs are Semite ... They cannot be Anti-Semite.
-
- > What gives the Israeli Army the right and OBLIGATION to "hunt down"
- > stone-throwers is the right of the Israeli people to live in security.
-
- Itzhak is telling us that it is a right and OBLIGATION for the police
- to hunt down 10 year olds who are trying to get rid of the ugly
- oppressor. WELL ITZHAK does that mean that it was the right and
- obligations of the chinese police to hunt down the people that gathered
- in Tiniamin square in china ... or was it a right and OBLIGATION for the
- communists to hunt down those CRIMINALS that gathered near the Kremlin
- one year ago shouting DOWN WITH COMMUNISM ....
-
- Civilian uprising has always been a praised one. And history again
- proves that.
-
- > I certainly would not like to live in a country where even 10-year
- > olds are given the freedom to stone and fire-bomb cars at will - would
- > you?????
- >
- These 10 year olds are fighting for a righteous principle, a principle,
- something you would never understand.
-
- >-Itzhak
- >
-
- --Marwan
-