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- From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
- Subject: Re: Israel and the Fourth Geneva Convention (was: Israeli Nazism?)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.034943.8754@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
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- Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:49:43 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec28.223127.1143@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna) writes:
-
- # Here we go again. It seems that, Hank, an Israeli settler, thinks that
- # by repeating something over and over, it somehow makes it true or sensible.
-
- It is Waleed who is engaging in the Nazi big lie technique.
-
- # In article <92363.065733HANK@BARILVM.BITNET> Hank Nussbacher <HANK@BARILVM.BITNET> writes:
-
- # >Since Article 49 has been brought up let us look at what it states:
-
- # > The Geneva Convention, Article 49, paragraph 6 states:
-
- # > The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its
- # > own population into the territory it occupies.
-
- # > In the book "International Law: A Treatise, Vol II, Disputes,
- # > War and Neutrality", by L. Oppenheim (1952), page 452, he writes
- # > "The occupying power must not deport or transfer parts of its own
- # > civilian population into the territory occupied by him - a
- # > prohibition intended to cover cases of the occupant bringing in its
- # > nationals for the purpose of displacing the population of the
- # > occupied territory".
-
- # The conventions are very clear, and they do not allow for exceptions,
- # either in expulsions or settlements.
-
- As I stated in a previous article, William Safire has shown your
- interpretations to be wrong.
-
- # The psycological dispositions and
- # stated intentions of the settlers are not relevant to the issue of the
- # legality of settlements.
-
- Oh, but they are.
-
- # The Israeli government's only line of defense
- # is to deny that the West Bank and Gaza are occupied.
-
- That is not its only line of defense, but it is one.
-
- # How many sane persons
- # and impartial jurors do you think you can convince of that?
-
- That is irelevent. No one else has the right to parcel out Jewish
- land.
-
- # Besides, on whose land are these settlements being established? Many of
- # the settlements were set up on land confiscated from private Palestinian
- # owners.
-
- Who probably confiscated it from Jews (there are still homes occupied
- by Arabs with mezuza holes - a mezuza is a Jewish ritual object).
-
- # Moreover the settlements use resources (land and water) that could
- # otherwise be used (in the present or future) by the legitimate inhabitants
- # of the land.
-
- Oh I get it. Jews are not legitimate.
-
- # As such, settlements certainly contribute to the displacement
- # of the local population.
-
- Nope. In fact, the employ local Arabs, which actually attreacts
- and keeps them.
-
- # The last time you posted your regular crap, Shari VanderSpek responded
- # with the following:
-
- Oh yes. That great master of (il)logic, Ms. VanderSpek.
-
- # Here's another bit of information for Hank, who thinks that Arab villages
- # aren't destroyed for settlements.
-
- # In a speech made on October 10, 1982, Mordechai Zippori, Israeli minister of
- # energy, said at the opening ceremony of Inav, a new settlement built
- # on land seized from the village of Anabta:
-
- # "The continuation of settlement is the backbone of the Zionist
- # movement in the West Bank and is the only means to defeat any peace
- # initiative which is intended to bring foreign rule to Judea and
- # Samaria. ....The presence of an Arab majority in the West Bank should
- # not prevent the Israeli authorities from accelerating the settlement
- # process in the occupied territories. ...I was born in Petah Tikva
- # [one of the earliest Jewish colonies established in Palestine] which
- # was surrounded by many Arab villages such as Kufr Anna, Abu Kisheh,
- # and Khayriyeh - and no trace has been left of those villages today,
- # but Petah Tikva remained."
-
- What was there prior to those Arab settlements? Jewish ones? At
- any rate, how many served as bases for attacks against Jews?
-
- # Those closing words clearly define what lies ahead for the Palestinians in
- # the West Bank if the settlements are allowed to continue.
-
- Wrong. In fact, Arab employment opportunities will grow.
- --
- There are three types of people in the world. Those that are good
- at math and those that are not.
-
- makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
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