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- From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
- Subject: Re: A thought about fully automatic weapons...
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.184449.26963@ke4zv.uucp>
- Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
- Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
- References: <102969@netnews.upenn.edu>
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:44:49 GMT
- Lines: 56
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- In article <102969@netnews.upenn.edu> yee@mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee) writes:
- >On tpg it is frequently stated that fully automatic weapons are less
- >than useful in a militia and that all one really needs is a semi-automatic
- >weapon. The only real use of a fully automatic weapon is to lay down a
- >field of fire to suppress the enemy. Fully automatic fire is difficult
- >to aim and that it only results in the waste of ammunition.
-
- Not only will you see this line of argument here, but also in Sci.military,
- and among the military themselves. That's one of the reasons that the M16A2
- no longer has a full automatic mode. When troops habitually go on full
- rock and roll and spray and pray, much ammo is expended with little result.
- So the current military thinking is to not issue full auto weapons to
- the general run of troops and restrict full auto fire to specialists in
- each squad who do the suppressive fire while the rest of the squad does
- the actual killing.
-
- >I have come to question the veracity of the statements which purport to
- >say that fully automatic weapons are not really all that useful. I speak
- >not from experience but from other data points.
-
- Full auto has it's uses, but it's not a general panacea. The squad
- automatic weapon, heavy machinegun emplacements, and vehicle mounted
- machineguns all have the primary purpose of laying down suppressive
- fire, with the secondary purpose among the heavies of chewing up lightly
- armored vehicles. They are useful, but only in restricted circumstances.
-
- >First of all, I note that the military has not yet decided to forsake
- >automatic weapons in favor of semi-automatic weapons. Could it be that
- >short bursts are indeed useful? I note that the M-16 is capable of
- >3 shot bursts.
-
- That's mostly psychological. If you miss with the first shot, you're
- going to miss with the next two as well. But the troops want to rock
- and roll and would whine if they only got semi-autos. Note that there
- is a small advantage to the three shot burst, it delivers about as
- much bullet mass to the target as a single shot from a real rifle like
- the M14. 3 55 gr .22s versus one 150 gr 30 cal. I see it mainly as
- a grudging admission that the .22 is underpowered.
-
- >Second, I take notice the arguments posed on rec.radio.cb and
- >rec.radio.amateur.misc For those of you who are not familiar with current
- >FCC rules, CB's are restricted to 4watts. Amateur radios (aka ham radios)
- >can transmit as much as 1500watts. In this analogy, CB's are the semi
- >automatic weapons and Amateur radios are the fully automatic weapons.
-
- No. A more accurate comparison would be that the CB is a .22 and the
- amateur station is a 16 inch 45 off the New Jersey. It's a difference
- in striking power rather than in frequency of transmissions.
-
-
- Gary
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