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- From: mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (Martin Hulsey)
- Subject: Russell's unanswered questions
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- Organization: Dept. Foods & Nutrition, Univ. of GA
- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:29:48 GMT
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- Below is a list of my questions that Russell has repeatedly left
- unanswered. With apologies for the consumption of bandwidth, I repost them
- along with a short justification of the relevance of the questions.
-
- Questions 1 & 2:
-
- How would you modify the _status quo_ to simultaneously protect the
- interests of human and non-human animals?
-
- Would failing to perform a critical experiment be worse than performing one
- that proved trivial?
-
- Justification: By posting two examples of approved animal experiments
- described as "useless," Russell suggests that there are problems with
- current procedures for the approval of animal experiments. I am curious
- how he would change the current procedures to prevent the approval of "bad"
- experiments, although I do not yet accept that the two examples that he
- gave are "bad."
-
- Question 3:
-
- Do you propose that Christian Scientists refuse medical care because they
- believe the information is tainted?
-
- Justification: When I previously suggested that antivivisectionists should
- refuse medical treatments developed using animals, Russell pointed out that
- information cannot be "tainted" by its method of acquisition. I wonder if
- Russell believes that a person could have any other reason for refusing
- such treatment.
-
- Question 4:
-
- Would you, for some period, allow heart patients to die for their
- "stupidity" rather than sacrifice a few pigs or dogs to develop a new heart
- valve, etc?
-
- Justification: Russell pointed out that much human disease is due to human
- stupidity. I wonder if he believes that such "stupid" humans should be
- allowed to die in order to save non-human animals.
-
- Question 5:
-
- What do you feel to be the relative intrinsic value of a dog as compared to
- a human?
-
- Justification: This is an admittedly tough question that has no correct
- quantitative answer. It does, however, relate to the use of canines in
- medical research to save humans. Knowing how much Russell loves dogs, I am
- curious whether he would sacrifice his dogs, in a hypothetical situation,
- to save a human.
-
- Questions 6 & 7:
-
- What if the "alternative" tests fail to detect a hazardous physical
- irritant in your toothpaste? Wouldn't this result in human suffering?
-
- How do you propose that the Ames test of bacterial mutagenicity can serve
- as a test for ocular irritancy?
-
- Justification: Russell previously claimed that so-called "alternatives" to
- the Draize test of ocular irritancy provided good prediction of chemical
- irritancies. I pointed out that chemical irritancy was not the whole
- story, but physical irritancies, and interactions between physcial and
- chemical irritancies are also possible.
-
- Question 8:
-
- Have you considered the suffering of the mouse or rabbit that is ground up
- by the thresher that harvests your wheat?
-
- Justification: Russell claimed that because he ate fruit and bread rather
- than eggs and bacon for breakfast, his dietary regimen did not promote
- animal suffering. In fact, all agriculture results in the suffering of
- organisms from both kingdoms.
-
- Questions 9 & 10:
-
- If a product's raw materials are tested on animals, and, if animal tests
- are cruel, how can the resultant product be called "cruelty-free?"
-
- When purchasing cosmetics, should people care more about their eyes than
- those of a rabbit?
-
- Justification: Russell claimed that cosmetics manufactured by Revlon &
- Avon are "cruelty free." I am curious just what he means by that term, and
- whether human injury resulting from the use of such "alternatives" would
- also be considered cruelty.
-
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- mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (Martin G. Hulsey)
- Neuroscience, NRA-ILA, SSIB, NAASO, IASO
-