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- From: mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (Martin Hulsey)
- Subject: Re: Silver Spring monkeys was: Re: PETA in hot water
- Message-ID: <mhulsey-010193075838@fatrat.fcs.uga.edu>
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- Organization: Dept. Foods & Nutrition, Univ. of GA
- References: <mhulsey-311292113957@fatrat.fcs.uga.edu> <C05AqB.3z8@wpg.com>
- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:27:58 GMT
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- In article <C05AqB.3z8@wpg.com>, russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) wrote:
- >
- >[...]
- > > Gerone's "hands on" experience with these monkeys months after the Taub
- > > incident has absolutely no bearing on whether Taub treated his monkeys in a
- > > cruel fashion. Gerone's assessment of Taub is an opinion that is obviously
- > > not based on the legal record. He is, in this instance, acting as an
- > > apologist for PETA.
- >
- > You're jumping to conclusions here -- bigtime.
-
- Not really. Gerone's opinion of Taub is not consistent with the legal
- record. It is consistent with PETA's account of the events.
-
- > > Despite being targeted and set up by Pacheco, Taub was
- > > fully exhonorated of all cruelty charges. THAT is what Gerone should say.
- >
- > Thanks for telling us what people ought to think and say, Martin.
-
- That is, if Gerone wants to tell the truth, he should say that Taub was
- fully exhonorated. Of course, he is otherwise free to say anything he
- likes.
-
- > Most of the animal researchers whom I know personally seem to
- > think that the conditions of animals in laboratories have
- > improved substantially over the last decade, largely because of
- > the Silver Spring Monkey case. Are they "apologists" for PETA,
- > Martin?
-
- No. I agree that the SSM case heightened awareness on both sides. Anyone
- who is yet convinced that Taub was cruel to his monkeys is sucking up to
- PETA's propaganda machine. The amendments to the AWA also deserve some
- credit for improved conditions in animal labs.
-
- > >>[...]
- > I'm critical of everything that I read, Martin... including materials
- > published by PETA. Yet you've cited the CFAAR article as a reliable
- > source on many occasions without bothering to mention that it was
- > written by Taub himself? Why not? Was the authorship an unimportant
- > detail?
-
- I withheld nothing. I do not always cite authors as parts of references I
- give, unless they are books. I gave this info immediately when first
- asked.
-
- If you would question this article because it was written by Taub, would
- you also question an account written by Pacheco? If you will compare
- Taub's article with Pacheco's chapter in Singer's book (you know, the guy
- that you falsely claimed to support animal "rights"), you will find that
- Taub's article is based on court testimony. Pacheco's account of events is
- refuted by seven individuals who testified under oath at Taub's trial.
- This includes an official of the USDA who made unannounced inspections in
- Taub's lab.
-
- > BTW, the Washington Post article that I cited was written by a WP
- > reporter, Peter Carlson, and not by Alex Pacheco.
-
- I never implied otherwise. I implied that the _Washington Post_ did not
- read the opinion of the Maryland Court of Appeals when writing their story.
- As promised, I will send you a copy when and if I get my hands on the
- document.
-
- > > --
- > > mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (Martin G. Hulsey)
- > > Neuroscience, NRA-ILA, SSIB, NAASO, IASO
- >
- > Nice signature, Martin. Why don't you tell us again about your
- > efforts to have your usenet postings subjected to "peer-review"?
-
- I have already covered this. Are you trying to imply dishonesty on my
- part? Why don't you stick to animal issues such as my unanswered
- questions? For example, I'm still waiting for you to explain how the Ames
- test for bacterial mutagenicity is a satisfactory "alternative" for the
- Draize test of ocular irritancy.
-
- My peers did not have the time to review my posts, which became much more
- frequent (largely, thanks to you) than I originally anticipated. The
- system was not ideal because it was not blind review. Besides, the process
- of "opponent review" is equally effective. Don't you agree?
-
- --
- mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (Martin G. Hulsey)
- Neuroscience, NRA-ILA, SSIB, NAASO, IASO
-