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- From: russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence)
- Subject: Re: Human motivation and true altruism
- Message-ID: <C03s1F.Jys@wpg.com>
- Organization: WP Group
- References: <1992Dec31.005149.25983@pixel.kodak.com>
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:53:38 GMT
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- From article <1992Dec31.005149.25983@pixel.kodak.com>, by young@clpd.kodak.com (Rich Young):
- >> I think you've misrepresented both the language and the intent of
- >> the original author by tacking on a set of clauses that reflect
- >> self-interest alone.
- >
- > My interpretation is certainly one valid one; another might be that
- > one should treat others in the way we would like to be treated
- > without expectation of reciprocation, simply because it's "The
- > Right Thing To Do(tm)" and will allow us to proceed through life
- > satisfied that we have hurt no one.
-
- You seem to be incapable of grasping the possibility that some other
- individuals might respect your feelings, not because it's the
- "Right Thing (tm)" or because they're looking for "satisfaction",
- but because they're capable [unlike you] of appreciating what goes
- on inside the heads of other beings.
-
- Have you never, ever, had an experience in which you performed a
- selfless act (or worse, a painful act) solely for someone else's
- benefit?
-
- > It really doesn't matter which interpretation is used; either one
- > is easily explained by one or both of my original criteria. We do
- > things either because they make us feel good, or because they'll
- > allow us to reduce or avoid bad feelings.
-
- As I've pointed out many times, your arguments are circular. If
- humans are incapable of thinking altruistically, how do you
- account for the initial appearance of the cultural taboos that
- allegedly give rise to the "bad feelings" that you would cite as
- the basis for cultural taboos?
-
- > [...]
- >
- >> Is there some reason for us to believe that altruism and selfishness
- >> are equivalent concepts?
- >
- > Is there some overwhelming reason why such an equivalence is
- > necessary? In point of fact, altruism and selfishness are mutually
- > exclusive. My point is that true altruism does not exist...
-
- I agree that true altruism doesn't exist in Rich Young, but Rich
- Young is hardly in a position to declare that it's never, ever,
- existed in other individuals.
-
- --
- Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
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