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- From: mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson)
- Subject: Re: Pro-choicers must condone infanticide
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.093545.11533@hemlock.cray.com>
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- References: <1992Dec22.174359.23172@ncsu.edu> <1992Dec23.103815.21024@hemlock.cray.com> <1992Dec25.042418.4549@rotag.mi.org>
- Date: 28 Dec 92 09:35:44 CST
-
- In article <1992Dec25.042418.4549@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec23.103815.21024@hemlock.cray.com> mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec22.174359.23172@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >>>In article <1992Dec15.180606.27847@cbnews.cb.att.com>
- >>>jap@cbnews.cb.att.com (james.a.parker) writes:
- >>>
- >>>> I argue for pro-choice on the basis that the mother is under no obligation
- >>>> to provide support to the child. This is independent of the question of
- >>>> personhood.
- >>>
- >>>During most abortions, the child's right to bodily autonomy is
- >>>violated. If the child is a person, then you cannot support
- >>>unrestricted abortion-on-demand using the notion of bodily
- >>>autonomy.
- >
- >Yes, the fetus'es (not "child"s) right to bodily autonomy is violated, but the
- >violation of the fetus is a LESSER violation, in terms of human suffering,
- >than the alternative 9-month violation of the pregnant woman. So, where we
- >HAVE to choose between the two, i.e. before the point of viability, it is
- >valid to choose violation of the fetus'es BA.
- >
- >>Gee, Doug. When are we going to see some evidence
- >>from you that a fetus is _capable_ of bodily autonomy?
- >
- >Does it need to fill out a form, or what?
- >
- >No, Muriel, any human organism which _could_ function outside of the womb
- >is by definition "capable" of bodily autonomy. This is, in fact, why
- >viability is such an all-important dividing line.
- >
- Is it "capable" of reaching that state on its own?
- As long as it's a fetus, it's _not_ "capable" of
- bodily autonomy. Which is why viability is such a
- red herring.
-
- muriel
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