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- From: alderson@cisco.com (Rich Alderson)
- Subject: Re: Om spr}kenas uppkomst
- In-Reply-To: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.211834.2351@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Followup-To: sci.lang
- Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
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- Reply-To: alderson@cisco.com (Rich Alderson)
- Organization: Cisco Systems (MIS)
- References: <1992Dec22.182952.25821@kth.se> <1992Dec22.211442.25753@enea.se>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 21:18:34 GMT
- Lines: 38
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- In article <1992Dec22.211442.25753@enea.se>, sommar@enea (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
- >This is a translated conversation from a Swedish-speaking group:
- >
- >)Erland Sommarskog (sommar@enea.se) writes:
- >))Despite Hungarian and Finnish are related, it is supposedly only
- >))the numbers 1-6 which are the same. (And you have to look twice
- >))to see it.)
- >)
- >)Actually one has now concluded that Finnish and Hungarian are not
- >)related.
- >)One still has a division of Finnish-Ugrian languages, but where the
- >)parts are not related to each other.
- >)The reason one earlier believed them to be related, is surely due
- >)to that that they sound superficially dissimilar.
- >
- >I have to say, I am quite surprised over this piece of information.
- >Any of you linguists out there who can shed a light on this?
-
- Finnish and Hungarian are clearly related, sharing hundreds of cognates both
- between themselves and with other languages of the Baltic and Volga regions,
- making up the Fenno-Ugric family. This, in turn, is closely related to the
- Samoyedic languages, the two branches making up the Uralic family.
-
- The original monograph demonstrating their relationship was published in 1752,
- *thirty-four years* before Sir Wm. Jones' short comment on Sanskrit, Greek, and
- Latin was made.
-
- You should refer the other party to the work of Bjorn Collinder (among others)
- on Fenno-Ugric and Uralic.
-
- And the notion of "a division of Finnish-Ugrian languages, but where the parts
- are not related to each other" is a contradiction: If the languages are not
- related, they do not make up a "division."
- --
- Rich Alderson 'I wish life was not so short,' he thought. 'Languages take
- such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
- --J. R. R. Tolkien,
- alderson@leland.stanford.edu _The Lost Road_
-