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- From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
- Subject: Re: just passing through on way to alt.real-men.grunt.thud ....
- X-To: MICHAEL
- Organization: The Zoo of Ids
- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:47:00 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan4.011742.17205@zooid.guild.org>
- Sender: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
- Lines: 75
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- michael@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Michael) writes...
- >In <MUFFY.92Dec18125621@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muf
- >y Barkocy) writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec18.041148.14307@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com (Lar
- >y Margolis) writes:
- >>>In <1992Dec17.211922.15114@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> conditt@tsd.arlut.utex
- >s.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
- >>>>
- >>>>Believe it or not, we *all* have the right to choose what happens to our
- >>>>bodies. The thing that we don't seem to be willing to accept is *when*
- >>>>that choice occurs. The choice occurs *before* you have sex, not during
- >>>>and certainly not after.
-
- >>>Yup. And if you chose to not reproduce, by using birth control, then you
- >>>*have* made your choice.
-
- >>No, you have not "chosen to not reproduce" when you have sex using birth
- >>control. You have simply chosen to take a "1/5/10/etc percent *chance*
- >>of reproducing" (the actual percentage depends on the type of birth
- >>control chosen and how well you use it). If you gamble and lose, then
- >>you have to deal with the consequences.
-
- >>>And if the birth control fails, then it's certainly
- >>>a responsible decision to stick with your original choice.
-
- >>Exactly. The choice of "taking a small chance of reproducing."
- >>Muffy
-
- >I don't totally agree. I'll agree that its responsible to make a
- >decision that you will stick to being careful to avoid one that you
- >can't stick to. However I also realize that we are human and not
- >that perfect.
-
- >A woman may well change her mind about what she wants to do with her
- >body AFTER sex. Especially if conception does occur. At that point
- >if she chooses to have a baby, both parties become responsible for
- >it. If a man doesn't want such responsibility, he shouldn't take part
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >in any sex act which could lead to having a baby.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- /* Sarcasm On */
-
- Okay, great. Let's outlaw abortion and then when women complain about it,
- you can say "If a woman doesn't want such responsibilities, she shouldn't
- take part in any sex act which could lead to having a baby".
-
- /* Sarcasm Off */
-
- (BTW, anyone who quotes this and attempts to conclude that I am in favour
- of outlawing abortion, as I am *NOT*, may kindly refer to the /* Sarcasm
- On */, thank you).
-
-
- Seriously though, Michael, would *you* support the concept of a man deciding
- what a *woman* should do with *her* life? Indeed, you *would* have a
- problem allowing a man to control a man to control a woman. However, you
- don't seem to have a problem with allowing women to control men!
-
- In just the same way, I *do not recognise* any woman's 'right' to decide
- how I should lead my own life. (nor *any* man's 'right', either) Just as
- many a woman has declared that she would rather commit suicide than be
- forced to bear and support an unwanted child, I would rather throw away my
- career and live off welfare than be forced to support a child whom I don't
- want!
-
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