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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Parallell situations (was Re: Muffy becomes anti-choice)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.181349.2692@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1h8aufINNbs3@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> <1992Dec23.162739.1@d0gslb.fnal.gov> <1hb1i8INNf40@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:13:49 GMT
- Lines: 64
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- In article <1hb1i8INNf40@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec23.162739.1@d0gslb.fnal.gov> holzman@d0gslb.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman) writes:
- >>In article <1h8aufINNbs3@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>, regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com
- >>(Adrienne Regard) writes:
- >>> Uh,
- >>> but,
- >>> Daniel,
- >>> We haven't seen 'a parallell' yet.
- >>> We have seen many things, but we haven't seen a parallell yet.
- >>> Got one to show us?
- >>A parallell has been posted here several times. Here we go again:
- >
- >You don't get it, Daniel. What you posted is not a parallel.
-
- Blatant assertion.
-
- >Ya gotta wonder....
-
- Yeah...
-
- >>During the time that a woman can legally obtain an abortion, less lead time for
- >>notification purposes, a man should be able to legally disolve all ties to a
- >>fetus.
- >
- >Unsupported assertion. Why? A woman retains the right NOT to legally
- >dissolve all ties, but to REMOVE the fetus from her body.
-
- However, the EFFECT of a successful abortion is NOT ONLY to remove the
- biological dependency, but to also remove the associated financial obligation
- as well. If we parallel the latter, and it would result in more equity.
-
- >Upon what basis do you make this unsupported assertion? What leads you to
- >the conclusion that a woman's right to her physical person is a 'parallell'
- >to a man's control over his wallet
-
- No-one is saying that. Straw man. A woman's right to terminate her financial
- liability to the child AT THE SAME TIME as her unquestioned (by me, at least)
- right to terminate her biological connection, should be paralleled by the
- right of a man to terminate _his_ financial liability to the child, in
- approximately the time frame.
-
- >(conveniently ignoring the woman's wallet all the while)?
-
- I see you're still trying to mix involuntary, imposed liabilities with
- voluntary contributions, Adrienne. Don't you think that's intellectually
- dishonest, since you've been REPEATEDLY corrected on this point?
-
- >The situation from the very gitgo is not parallel. And that renders the
- >rest of it garbage.
-
- Other than biology itself, we, as a society, can make the situations as
- parallel as we want, Adrienne. Child support is inherently an artificial
- social construct anyway, so, in contrast to biology, it CAN be changed.
- Why do you push such an extremist, all-or-nothing "if it's not perfectly
- identical, it can't be paralleled" viewpoint? How do you expect to make
- progress on this issue while wearing such heavy, restrictive ideological
- blinders?
-
- >Therefore, I'll just delete the rest until we get this beginning straightened
- >out.
-
- Convenient.
-
- - Kevin
-