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- From: spectre@uiuc.edu (Ian)
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- Subject: Results of some study about the killing issue.
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- Date: 27 Dec 92 23:33:47 GMT
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- Asalamulaikum.
-
- I have been doing a bit of thinking about the matter of the Filipino
- Christian in Saudi Arabia who is sentenced to die on Christmas Day, 1992,
- for the crime of trying to spread his religion among people there.
-
- I was disturbed about this incident because it seemed unfair to say that
- Muslims may try to spread Islam to non-Muslims, but non-Muslims may not do
- likewise with their religions (and in fact, should be killed if they try.)
-
- An American Muslim convert friend of mine, Craig Paul <paul@ukanvax.bitnet>
- and I were discussing and studying the Qu'ran about what it says about the
- matter. Here's some of the results of our musings.
- ............................................................................
- ...............CHRISTIANS,.JEWS.AND.SABIANS.WHO.ARE.BELIEVERS...............
- ............................................................................
- 2:62. Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians,
- and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good,
- they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them,
- nor shall they grieve.
-
- 5:65. And if the followers of the Book had believed and guarded (against
- evil) We would certainly have covered their evil deeds and We would
- certainly have made them enter gardens of bliss
-
- 5:69. Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and
- the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good--
- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.
- .............................................................................
- ........................KILL.ONLY.THOSE.WHO.FIGHT.YOU........................
- .............................................................................
- 4:90. Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an
- alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or
- fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given
- them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you;
- therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you
- peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
-
- 2:190. And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do
- not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the
- limits.
-
- 2:191. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence
- they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not
- fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if
- they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the
- unbelievers.
- .............................................................................
- ..........................NO.COMPULSION.IN.RELIGION..........................
- .............................................................................
- 2:256. There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become
- clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan
- and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which
- shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
- .............................................................................
- .........................CONVINCE.THEM.BY.GOOD.DEEDS.........................
- .............................................................................
- 5:48. And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is
- before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them
- by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn
- away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We
- appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you
- (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you,
- therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is
- your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you
- differed;
- .............................................................................
- ..................KILL.PEOPLE.WHO.MIGHT.MAKE.YOU.DISBELIEVE..................
- .............................................................................
- 4:89. They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so
- that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends
- until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then
- seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among
- them a friend or a helper.
-
- 5:32. For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that
- whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the
- land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as
- though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with
- clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act
- extravagantly in the land.
- .............................................................................
- .................SOME.OF.MY.AMERICAN.MUSLIM.FRIEND'S.THOUGHTS................
- .............................................................................
- Some may try and claim that "mischief in the land" would include
- proselytizing against Islam. Yet when Muhammad established himself in
- Medinah his pact with other monotheistic tribes included freedom to practice
- their religions.
-
- I did some further checking and that pact states that no members of any of
- the religions (including Islam) are to proselytize any other.
-
- What Yusof Ali translated as "mischief in the land," the translation I have
- uses "corruption on earth". Some understand "corruption on Earth" (validly)
- as sedition (not just religious motives, but political motives to weaken the
- tribe of Muslims as a politically and economically powerful entity, much
- different than today.)
-
- 4:89 appears to refer to a group who were on the Muslim side at the Battle
- of Uhud, but who deserted. (Leader of whom was Abdullah b. Ubayy.) b. Ubayy
- had counseled against fighting, but Muhammad persisted. b. Ubayy withdrew
- with 1/3 of the entire contingent.
- .............................................................................
- .............................MY.CLOSING.THOUGHTS.............................
- .............................................................................
- It seems like it would be somewhat of a contradiction to say "Kill people
- who might make you disbelieve," given "Kill only people who fight you" and
- "No compulsion in religion."
-
- I'd like to hear the thoughts of other people here.
-
- Wassalam,
- Ian
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