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- From: goid@zooid.guild.ORG (Will Steeves)
- Subject: The Men's Movement
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- Date: 22 Dec 92 00:03:09 GMT
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- vanhoek@bend.UCSD.EDU (Karen van Hoek) writes...
- KVH> issue of men's treatment of women. Starhawk's article
- KVH> Men's Movement_) really says it -- it's _great_ if men
- KVH> "A Men's Movement We Could Trust" (in _Women Respond to the
- KVH> want to get together and create new images of masculinity
- KVH> and bond together as males and the whole bit, _provided_
- KVH> they're conscious of the other half of humanity and of the
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- KVH> fact that power relations between us aren't equal.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- Well, first of all, it doesn't seem as though the women's movement is
- always aware of the other half of humanity, either.
-
- Second, they also seem to think that power relations "aren't equal"
- in the sense of always being disadvantageous to women, which is rather
- a "feminist-centric" view... (I don't believe that I just said that...)
-
- KVH> Some of what men are doing is very much like the Goddess
- KVH> movement, and in fact it's very exciting to those of us
- KVH> who think we need a new image of the God (i.e. "the God"
- KVH> as in "the Goddess and the God"), that masculinity has
- KVH> been degraded, defiled and warped and that it needs to be
- KVH> reclaimed. But when it seems as if men aren't sensitive
- KVH> to women's concerns, or when the Men's Movement literature
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- KVH> seems to be blaming women for men's problems, it's
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- KVH> frightening to women. No doubt, men _do_ have a lot of
- KVH> legitimate complaints about their treatment by women.
-
- This isn't entirely fair, Karen. It isn't just the Men's Movement
- that occasionally blames the other gender for "their problems".
- Indeed, I recently bought "My Enemy, My Love," which considered itself
- to be a feminist perspective on the fact that the feminist movement
- has become ambivalent of men, if not downright showing hatred of men.
- I flipped through some of the pages, saw how much of the text was
- sounding as though it was entirely *blaming men* for women's
- ambivalence towards them (!), and grumbled "Oh GOiD!" :-)
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